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webecedarian 18 Jul 2019 06:26 AM

Recommend a free email for serious work-related mail?
 
I'm still having major problems posting (welcoming any suggestions for fixes), but if I can get this up...

Do you have preferences for email domain names that have nothing cute or trendy about them? I want something to use for job-related mail, and I really liked the plain rather formal name of Inbox.com, for instance. I dislike the major players, and, besides, names like Yahoo are too self-consciously cute. And I need something that doesn't require a telephone to create. The formats of Hotmail are better for me than most, but, again, the Hotmail name is too cute.

Any ideas?

Berenburger 18 Jul 2019 08:47 AM

Serious work-related mail? Then the best is to choose your own domain name.
Otherwise mail.com. A name that can't be argued against. ;)

Tsunami 18 Jul 2019 09:57 AM

If you like the Hotmail service but not the "too cute" domain, why not sign up for an outlook.com email account? Exactly the same interface, and unlike "Hotmail" or even "Live.com" the domain comes across as professional.

Or, as said, mail.com. I don't know if the company behind mail.com is reliable and if the service is trustworthy and stable. I never tried them. But in terms of domains they have some very professional options (mail.com, email.com, I think post.com too...)

jeffpan 18 Jul 2019 10:08 AM

buy a domain from gandi.net and they provide two email boxes which are pretty solid and simple to use.

janusz 18 Jul 2019 06:45 PM

Make sure the free email provider doesn't append any advertising material to outgoing messages.

Getting one's own domain, from gandi or elsewhere, with associated email is a sensible solution, but strictly speaking isn't free (from $10 per annum). OTOH, if this is something related to serious work, a website in your own domain would certainly enhance your professional image.

FredOnline 18 Jul 2019 07:56 PM

Have you considered ProtonMail?

They are quite popular now, and you could impress your potential new employer with your e-mail savviness.

Unless the free 500MB storage is insufficient for all your job related e-mails, of course.

TenFour 18 Jul 2019 08:21 PM

Personally, I would use a Gmail or Outlook.com address if it has to be free. Both are used by everyone from ordinary users to CEOs. Both are reliable and secure, which is the most important thing for a business address. You don't want a business address with a company that could close up shop overnight. If you own a domain you can send for free through Gmail, but not mass marketing emails.

TenFour 18 Jul 2019 11:09 PM

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you could impress your potential new employer with your e-mail savviness
Not sure that is the case here in the USA where Protonmail addresses are looked at a bit suspiciously, if the person reading it even knows what it means. I have been involved in a fair bit of hiring and I would guess that about 90% of people use an ordinary Gmail or Outlook.com address. You should avoid addresses that make you look old--like an AOL, Yahoo, or Hotmail address. A key issue is deliverability, and Gmail and Outlook.com are very good at that. Their domains will not get mass blocks by anyone or else they cut off 95% of their incoming email!

janusz 18 Jul 2019 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FredOnline (Post 610861)
Have you considered ProtonMail?

They are quite popular now, and you could impress your potential new employer with your e-mail savviness..

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Originally Posted by TenFour (Post 610864)
Not sure that is the case here in the USA where Protonmail addresses are looked at a bit suspiciously, if the person reading it even knows what it means.

1) Is it clear that the OP wants an address for job applications, and not for his/her own business? My reading is the latter, but of course I may be wrong.
2) Protonmail may impress internet geeks, but nobody else. I asked a few friends of mine (reasonably competent internet users, but working in various non-IT fields) about it, and the response was decisively blank in all cases. This was in Europe, may be in the USA Protonmail is a household name....

TenFour 19 Jul 2019 12:08 AM

I agree, most people do not know what Protonmail is here in the USA. Bottom line is that for "job-related email" you should probably get yourself a domain and set up email from it. Looks much more professional and will give you much more control over such an important address. With free services you can always lose access, the service can shut down, etc., while with your own domain you can simply move to another provider if you have problems with your email. You can do it all for $50 a year or less from reliable services like Fastmail.

Dutchie007 19 Jul 2019 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by webecedarian (Post 610840)
I'm still having major problems posting (welcoming any suggestions for fixes), but if I can get this up...

Do you have preferences for email domain names that have nothing cute or trendy about them? I want something to use for job-related mail, and I really liked the plain rather formal name of Inbox.com, for instance. I dislike the major players, and, besides, names like Yahoo are too self-consciously cute. And I need something that doesn't require a telephone to create. The formats of Hotmail are better for me than most, but, again, the Hotmail name is too cute.

Any ideas?

My experience says Yandex or mail.ru..both great free email providers which dont need a cellphone to sign up and are technically very advanced and certainly on pair with Gmail or Outlook (i use them privately for years now)...Since you are in the US...I probably would go for Gmail or Outlook. But I dont know if you can make a Gmail/Outlook address without a cellphone.

Avoid Yahoo/AOL at all costs...! I see some transport companies in Eastern Europe (Romania,Bulgaria etc) still using yahoo address..even is on their trucks!..looks very very Unprofesional imho.

my 2 cents.

Dutchie

SideshowBob 19 Jul 2019 05:55 AM

Why does it matter that few people have heard of protomail? It's not as if the household names are vetting their users.

Tsunami 20 Jul 2019 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutchie007 (Post 610869)
Avoid Yahoo/AOL at all costs...! I see some transport companies in Eastern Europe (Romania,Bulgaria etc) still using yahoo address..even is on their trucks!..looks very very Unprofesional imho.

I know several people who still use Yahoo as their main email account. They've often had that account for many years and probably just don't see the reasons to switch to another provider, having to notify their friends of the new email address, ... It's like the many people who use Hotmail already for 10+ years without ever having to change email address. That stability is probably important to them, they won't ever have to go around to notify everyone to have changed email address.

There was a time that I experimented a lot with email providers from exotic locations, just out of curiosity. Often those services were short-lived, with the hassle of losing stored emails and having to notify people that I had a new email address. Whereas my Outlook and Gmail accounts have been existing for years without any issue.



Also, if the OP is in the States, I would avoid domains with the .ru extention. I personally think it is a bit silly to let current affairs influence choice of email provider, but if the new address is for the purpose of jobhunting it is sadly enough important to keep in mind how the average person might react.
If Yandex has .com extention to choose from, it's a different issue.

You can't do wrong with Outlook.com or Gmail anyways, there's probably countless people who put such addresses on their CVs. If you run a business, an own domain is more professional. If you jobhunt, it is not necessary.

webecedarian 20 Jul 2019 07:48 AM

Thanks for the suggestions guys. Right, itís for things like job-hunting, although I might use it for other serious mail. And, no, I donít want my own domain for this.

I had thought of the Outlook name rather than Hotmail (I do have one with Live), but I figured Iíd ask for anything not on my radar. I also have a Proton account, and I was all psyched to see what it looked like when I got it, but wasnít particularly dazzled. I like that itís a lesser-known name, though. Iíve never been crazy about Gmail, which proved to be a big disappointment. Besides, I try to stay away from Google (and I donít like Bingís connection with Hotmail, either) And I read somewhere to stay away from Yandex.

Now, Mail.com. I never thought of that. Thanks. And Iíll re-consider Outlook, I suppose. I gave up on my Fastmail when their terms changed, but maybe I should take another look. I just thought there might be wild new options unknown to me.

Thank you to all.

TenFour 20 Jul 2019 08:57 AM

This infographic sums up the free options. https://miro.medium.com/max/1819/1*V...KOG6eh9Zw.jpeg

janusz 20 Jul 2019 05:41 PM

If (repeat: if) recruiters take the email address into account when evaluating applicants, they are much more likely to pay attention to the local_part (the bit to the left of @).

Something like [email protected] is unlikely to create a positive impression. Admittedly this may depend on the kind of the job....;)

TenFour 20 Jul 2019 07:53 PM

Apparently some people feel you need a good email address for job applications. https://www.job-hunt.org/federal-gov...mistakes.shtml

Tsunami 22 Jul 2019 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by webecedarian (Post 610901)
I donít want my own domain for this.

You don't have to if you're applying for jobs. The moment you'd run your own company (no matter how smile, like a webshop) or you're the employer, then it's a different story alltogether and an own domain makes it look all more professional. For a job application, I'm sure employers
a) look first and foremost to the content on your CV
b) will be very familiar with domains such as outlook.com, gmail.com, mail.com, and even hotmail.com and yahoo.com (as most people who go jobhunting don't even think that far about whether their email address could give a bad impression or not)


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Originally Posted by TenFour (Post 610902)
This infographic sums up the free options. https://miro.medium.com/max/1819/1*V...KOG6eh9Zw.jpeg

Funny :D but also somewhat exagerated (but I guess that's part of the joke).

Most Yahoo users I know, use it because they've used it for many years and simply don't see why they would change email addresses with the inconvenience of having to notify everyone of a new address + losing all stored email. A similar logic is often used by people who have been using the same Hotmail address for over 10 years. Not having to change address for over a decade can be very convenient, which most Yahoo users probably value.

Also, you sometimes just need a Yahoo account even if it's not entirely what you want. Signing up for a Flickr photo site requires a Yahoo account for example.


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Originally Posted by janusz (Post 610905)
If (repeat: if) recruiters take the email address into account when evaluating applicants, they are much more likely to pay attention to the local_part (the bit to the left of @).

Something like [email protected] is unlikely to create a positive impression. Admittedly this may depend on the kind of the job....;)

Exactly! Although I've seen job applicants who even use pseudonyms to the left of the @ which seem to be thought of during a night out in the pub. They somehow don't think that far that such address comes across unprofessional. (ironically, some of them still got the job)

TenFour 22 Jul 2019 04:52 AM

Your email address should be right at the top of your cover letter and resume so it is bound to get noticed. Today it is very difficult for most people to get their own name at any major email service, making your own domain advantageous. Plus, having your own domain may make you appear more tech savvy than other applicants. I have various domains I use for various things, and I have had people comment on my email address when in interviews. With job applications the first step is to get noticed so you don't immediately get filed in the reject pile. Generally your cover letter is skimmed before your resume is looked at. Make your letter really good and your name, address, and email address will almost always be read before anything else. Of course, large companies ignore everything and feed it all into a computer that makes the first cuts.

EricG 23 Jul 2019 06:32 AM

You haven't been able to sign up for Hotmail and Live accounts for years. If you do have one, you can create an outlook.com alias.

The only problem with just outlook.com is you can no long get short or common user names. I still have a 5 letter live.ca alias.

jeffpan 23 Jul 2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by EricG (Post 610951)
You haven't been able to sign up for Hotmail and Live accounts for years. If you do have one, you can create an outlook.com alias.

The only problem with just outlook.com is you can no long get short or common user names. I still have a 5 letter live.ca alias.

I have some 3 letter aliases on hotmail.ca, hotmail.com.hk etc.

storystarry 14 Aug 2019 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by webecedarian (Post 610840)
I'm still having major problems posting (welcoming any suggestions for fixes), but if I can get this up...

Do you have preferences for email domain names that have nothing cute or trendy about them? I want something to use for job-related mail, and I really liked the plain rather formal name of Inbox.com, for instance. I dislike the major players, and, besides, names like Yahoo are too self-consciously cute. Download granny 2.0

And I need something that doesn't require a telephone to create. The formats of Hotmail are better for me than most, but, again, the Hotmail name is too cute.

Any ideas?

I would use a Gmail or Outlook.com address if it has to be free.
Both are used by everyone from ordinary users to CEOs.
Both are reliable and secure, which is the most important thing for a business address.

Dutchie007 14 Aug 2019 05:22 PM

I think it is also dependable WERE and on WHAT kind of job you apply.

For most normal industry jobs your future boss will care less if you have an AOL or Yahoo account...and also most temp agencies dont care..many people use Gmail,Outlook and the likes. In Eastern Europe Yandex is pretty common to use..and in Turkey too.

Offcourse if you apply for vice-secretary of a national Bank or security chief at a nationawide supermarket chain.....and you send in your CV with something like "[email protected] or [email protected]"...I think they will have a good laugh and delete your email....LOL.

my 2 cents.

Dutchie.

Tsunami 15 Aug 2019 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutchie007 (Post 611151)
I think it is also dependable WERE and on WHAT kind of job you apply.

For most normal industry jobs your future boss will care less if you have an AOL or Yahoo account...and also most temp agencies dont care..many people use Gmail,Outlook and the likes. In Eastern Europe Yandex is pretty common to use..and in Turkey too.

Offcourse if you apply for vice-secretary of a national Bank or security chief at a nationawide supermarket chain.....and you send in your CV with something like "[email protected] or [email protected]"...I think they will have a good laugh and delete your email....LOL.

my 2 cents.

Dutchie.


while the CVs were not intended for a high position in a bank or so, I did see CVs with email addresses in it that were almost as silly as the examples you've given. In some cases the job application was succesful even.

pjwalsh 16 Aug 2019 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by webecedarian (Post 610901)
I gave up on my Fastmail when their terms changed, but maybe I should take another look.

Fastmail has a multitude of domains to choose from, increasing the odds of being able to use your own name. Some low-key, less used domain options: sent.com, ftml.net, fastem.com, fastmail.us, fastmail.org. Fastmail's subaddressing could be used to expand the [email protected] options.
https://www.fastmail.com/about/ourdomains

With gmail, having an address with your own name can be as simple as appending your country code, eg. [email protected]. Gmail ignores . in the username, so with or without, the address will find your inbox.

Whichever presentable email address you find, you could use it as a forwarding address to your service of choice.

TenFour 26 Aug 2019 08:12 PM

Another thing to keep in mind is the necessity of using an email address that is really easy to type in and uses a .com or .org extension. If it is hard to type or spell your address will be entered incorrectly 50% of the time and you will miss out on messages. I manage some email lists and it is very difficult to decipher many addresses that are entered on forms, and often systems make it faster and easier to type in the address rather than cutting and pasting. If your address uses strange spelling and extensions it will be entered incorrectly a lot.

Tsunami 29 Aug 2019 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TenFour (Post 611249)
Another thing to keep in mind is the necessity of using an email address that is really easy to type in and uses a .com or .org extension. If it is hard to type or spell your address will be entered incorrectly 50% of the time and you will miss out on messages. I manage some email lists and it is very difficult to decipher many addresses that are entered on forms, and often systems make it faster and easier to type in the address rather than cutting and pasting. If your address uses strange spelling and extensions it will be entered incorrectly a lot.

I would say the person's local ccTLD is as good and logical as .com or .org. Maybe .net too.

I agree it is easier if the address is easy to type, but also it often comes across more professional if you use your real name. What if your real name is a tough one to type, for example because it is transliterated from a different alphabet or because your name is very uncommon in your country? I'd say using your real name, even in that situation, is still a better option than using a nickname. At least, if we talk about job related mails.

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Originally Posted by pjwalsh (Post 611180)
Fastmail has a multitude of domains to choose from, increasing the odds of being able to use your own name. Some low-key, less used domain options: sent.com, ftml.net, fastem.com, fastmail.us, fastmail.org. Fastmail's subaddressing could be used to expand the [email protected] options.
https://www.fastmail.com/about/ourdomains

Mail.com also has some domains to choose from that are not so common, some even work related (for example the neat workmail.com :) They also own the short and sweet dr.com domain)


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