Not receiving email

PaulP · 18 Dec 2016, 01:13 PM

Since upgrading to Windows 7 In September I have received no mail in my telkomsa.net email account. I have checked the web mail (do messaging) – my inbox is empty. I can send but not receive. Telkom so far have not been able to help. I am using Thunderbird. Any suggestions?

janusz · 18 Dec 2016, 05:32 PM

Can't imagine how a change of the operating system could affect email delivery. After all servers at telkomsa.net have no idea what you run at home...

Do senders trying to contact you get any error messages ("message undeliverable" or similar)?

Assuming this is not the case, send (or ask somebody else to send) a message to you from another account and check your mailbox via the web interface from another computer. This will eliminate any possible misconfiguration of Win7 and/or Thunderbird on your system.

What I have in mind is a (remote) possibility that TB is set to delete (mark as spam??) all incoming messages locally and on the server, so every time you use it, it clears everything. Not very likely, but IMHO possible.

PaulP · 18 Dec 2016, 07:13 PM

Thanks for your reply!

Also can’t see how changing the operating syatem would affect it.
Senders get no message – just sends and appears in sent folder.
The strange thing is that in do messaging, the web interface, apart from the sent folder all the other folders are empty.

Berenburger · 18 Dec 2016, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulP

Senders get no message – just sends and appears in sent folder.
The strange thing is that in do messaging, the web interface, apart from the sent folder all the other folders are empty.

Using POP3 in Thunderbird for sending and receiving?

PaulP · 18 Dec 2016, 10:35 PM

Yes using pop3

Berenburger · 19 Dec 2016, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulP

Yes using pop3

The POP3 protocol has the characteristic to download (and delete afterwards) email from the server. That's why you can't see it anymore in your webmail, because the webmail client only can connect to a server. Now, it must be somewhere in a folder in TB on your computer.
In TB you can this (deleting habit) turning on/off (sorry, I have no TB to check).
Found also this instruction with the right POP3 and SMTP settings. Check this, please.

PaulP · 19 Dec 2016, 07:42 PM

Hi Berenburger!
I have gone through all the settings again but no change. Why is the web mail empty?

PaulP · 19 Dec 2016, 08:45 PM

Hi Berenburger,
I have perhaps not told the whole story. I use two other email addresses one of which is gmail and have no problems. The telkomsa.net address is rarely used and that is why I had not realised I was not receiving emails but I do have some mail sent to it. I have also once again changed my os to Linux Mint 18 but I can't see how that can affect things. PaulP

n5bb · 20 Dec 2016, 11:26 AM

Here is what I suggest:

First log in over the web and change your password (and of course record the new one) at your telkomsa.net email account. This will prevent any email client (including ones you might have forgotten about on mobile devices) from accessing your account.
While logged into your account via the web, be sure you do not have any email rules set up for that account.
Next send an email from your telkomsa.net web email account to your Gmail account. If that message is received, reply to that message and see if the reply arrives at telkomsa.net via the web interface.
Once you get the webmail working you can then work on your email clients.

Bill

PaulP · 20 Dec 2016, 05:53 PM

Thanks Bill - done all that - sent email to gmail account and received and replied to telkom account but still nothing in my telkom inbox

PaulP · 20 Dec 2016, 05:56 PM

Hi Bill - just received this

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

paulpadmore@telkomsa.net

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the relay smtp.telkomsa.net [196.25.211.150].

The error that the other server returned was:
535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure

PaulP · 20 Dec 2016, 08:12 PM

Thanks Guys - not sure how but problem solved - a combination of all your expertise - many thanks. No thanks to Telkom!

n5bb · 20 Dec 2016, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulP

...Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the relay smtp.telkomsa.net [196.25.211.150].
The error that the other server returned was:
535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure

That error makes it seem that they had a DNS setup error, since that is what you would expect if Google was trying to deliver to the telcomsa.net user client submittal SMTP server (which should require authentication), rather than the normal MX server for that domain.

Bill

18 Dec 2016, 01:13 PM	#1
PaulP Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 14	Not receiving email Since upgrading to Windows 7 In September I have received no mail in my telkomsa.net email account. I have checked the web mail (do messaging) – my inbox is empty. I can send but not receive. Telkom so far have not been able to help. I am using Thunderbird. Any suggestions?

18 Dec 2016, 07:13 PM	#3
PaulP Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 14	Not receiving email Thanks for your reply! Also can’t see how changing the operating syatem would affect it. Senders get no message – just sends and appears in sent folder. The strange thing is that in do messaging, the web interface, apart from the sent folder all the other folders are empty.

18 Dec 2016, 10:35 PM	#5
PaulP Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 14	Not receiving email Yes using pop3

19 Dec 2016, 07:42 PM	#7
PaulP Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 14	Not receiving email Hi Berenburger! I have gone through all the settings again but no change. Why is the web mail empty?

20 Dec 2016, 11:26 AM	#9
n5bb Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: May 2004 Location: Irving, Texas Posts: 8,929	Testing your email account Here is what I suggest: First log in over the web and change your password (and of course record the new one) at your telkomsa.net email account. This will prevent any email client (including ones you might have forgotten about on mobile devices) from accessing your account. While logged into your account via the web, be sure you do not have any email rules set up for that account. Next send an email from your telkomsa.net web email account to your Gmail account. If that message is received, reply to that message and see if the reply arrives at telkomsa.net via the web interface. Once you get the webmail working you can then work on your email clients. Bill

18 Dec 2016, 05:32 PM	#2
janusz The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: EU Posts: 4,945	Can't imagine how a change of the operating system could affect email delivery. After all servers at telkomsa.net have no idea what you run at home... Do senders trying to contact you get any error messages ("message undeliverable" or similar)? Assuming this is not the case, send (or ask somebody else to send) a message to you from another account and check your mailbox via the web interface from another computer. This will eliminate any possible misconfiguration of Win7 and/or Thunderbird on your system. What I have in mind is a (remote) possibility that TB is set to delete (mark as spam??) all incoming messages locally and on the server, so every time you use it, it clears everything. Not very likely, but IMHO possible.

19 Dec 2016, 08:45 PM	#8
PaulP Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 14	Hi Berenburger, I have perhaps not told the whole story. I use two other email addresses one of which is gmail and have no problems. The telkomsa.net address is rarely used and that is why I had not realised I was not receiving emails but I do have some mail sent to it. I have also once again changed my os to Linux Mint 18 but I can't see how that can affect things. PaulP

20 Dec 2016, 05:53 PM	#10
PaulP Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 14	Thanks Bill - done all that - sent email to gmail account and received and replied to telkom account but still nothing in my telkom inbox

20 Dec 2016, 05:56 PM	#11
PaulP Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 14	Hi Bill - just received this Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: paulpadmore@telkomsa.net Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the relay smtp.telkomsa.net [196.25.211.150]. The error that the other server returned was: 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure

20 Dec 2016, 08:12 PM	#12
PaulP Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 14	Thanks Guys - not sure how but problem solved - a combination of all your expertise - many thanks. No thanks to Telkom!