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1 Sep 2021, 12:21 PM | #1 |
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Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/polic...-powers-569062
It would be nice to hear something about this, and how Fastmail determines to secure our data... |
1 Sep 2021, 08:42 PM | #2 |
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FastMail are going to have to move their business out of Australia now that it appears a judge issued warrant is no longer required to gain access to someone's account.
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1 Sep 2021, 09:34 PM | #3 |
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Fastmail keeps no data inside Australia. It is unclear to me how moving Fastmail's formal headquarters would affect the authorities' ability to [ab]use these new powers. If they can achieve an account break in, it matters not where in the world the data and email administrators reside.
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1 Sep 2021, 10:26 PM | #4 |
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They've argued in their TOS, under Security Policy, that they need an Australian court order to access the data, and that a USA Court Order is meaningless to them...
So, according to the TOS, and Security Policy, the Australian law is directly applicable -- and now, the USA can likely dictate complete access through Australian authorities. Tick off the wrong foreign country too... and they could accuse you of anything. I'm not jumping ship, but I'm taking a much closer look at this. I cannot understate the potential ramifications of this. Accessing data WITHOUT a court order is likely going to be a showstopper to me, honestly. |
1 Sep 2021, 10:36 PM | #5 |
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Agree entirely ChinaLamb.
It is an Australian company operated in the main by Australians so as FastMail themselves have said on many occasions Australian law applies. That law has now been changed whereby judge issued warrants are no longer required to gain access to data. |
2 Sep 2021, 06:08 AM | #6 |
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I wonder how this law would apply to someone who is not an Australian citizen but uses Fastmail or other Australian services? On the other hand, I believe their servers are based in the USA, so does make the data that resides there out of reach of this law?
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2 Sep 2021, 06:13 AM | #7 |
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Read my post from earlier (~3 above) - it answers all your questions.
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2 Sep 2021, 06:24 AM | #8 | |
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2 Sep 2021, 06:48 AM | #9 |
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The way I am looking at it is that the authorities can take control of a FastMail admin account that is used by an Australia based employee and use that access to look at any email they want from any FastMail user, all without a judge's warrant.
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2 Sep 2021, 01:15 PM | #10 |
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I think you will find its individual computers owned by the bad boys and not network providers and servers....
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5 Sep 2021, 02:33 AM | #12 |
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5 Sep 2021, 06:24 AM | #13 |
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Closing my fastmail account.
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5 Sep 2021, 06:34 AM | #14 |
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5 Sep 2021, 06:58 AM | #15 |
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