End of classical interface - Page 13

somdcomputerguy · 23 Jan 2017, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry

Thanks Bruce.

I am happy that you have found something that works for you.

Regards, - Bruce

Grhm · 29 Jan 2017, 10:18 AM

Help!
This is so frustrating!
Some time ago I followed the advice offered on this forum and invested in a personal domain name so that I wouldn't be tied to any one e-mail provider.
I was pleasantly surprised by how simple and inexpensive it was to do that, and felt rather smug.
But that precaution isn't helping me now!
It is important for me to access E-mails on the move.
'Classic' works fine on my Nokia C2-01 phone, but the new interface doesn't work at all.
The only phones that run browsers fancy enough to support the new interface seem to be way out of my league.
So now is the time to invoke the nuclear option and change e-mail provider.
But I can't find a suitable alternative.
Can anybody recommend an e-mail provider that will let me use my own domains and that has a web interface that supports OperaMini version 8 (or any other browser that will work on my Symbian-based Nokia C2-01)?
Thank you.

somdcomputerguy · 29 Jan 2017, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grhm

But I can't find a suitable alternative.

Have you tried the FM phone app? I am not familiar with your phone (or any phones really, not even my own too much..) so I don't know if it will run it or not..

- Bruce

n5bb · 29 Jan 2017, 10:40 AM

Does you phone have an IMAP email client built in? Nearly all phones made within the past decade have an email client.

Bil

Grhm · 29 Jan 2017, 02:07 PM

Thank you for these suggestions.

As I confessed before, at http://emaildiscussions.com/showthread.php?t=72140 , I have never used an e-mail app or client... and my understanding of the supposed benefits of using them is hazy.

But if some sort of app/client type thing can be made to work on my phone when the web interface can't, I can see that it might partially solve my problem, albeit inelegantly.

According to http://www.fastmail.com/help/clients/mobileapp.html , the minimum requirement for the Fastmail App is
iOS v8 or Android v4.

If I've understood what that means, then the app won't even work on a 3-year-old iPhone, let alone a 5-year-old Nokia !

So my last hope would seem to be Bill's suggestion: the Nokia's built-in 'IMAP client'.

There is an 'e-mail' icon, which I haven't tried before: presumably this is the link to the phone's 'IMAP client'.

If I click on it, it asks for an e-mail address and password, which is encouraging.

But when I enter my Fastmail address and password and click on the 'sign in' button, it says 'checking' for several minutes and then invariably closes with the message 'communication error try again later'.

I'm stumped again. Any further ideas will be gratefully received.

Many thanks,

Graham.

mballas · 29 Jan 2017, 03:15 PM

You can't connect if you use your FastMail password. You must create an application password for that particular application.

https://www.fastmail.com/help/client...worderror.html

Grhm · 29 Jan 2017, 08:00 PM

Aha! I see!
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible to set up an 'app password' using the Classic interface, so I'm going to have to leave this until later in the week when the library is open and I have an opportunity to use the public computers there.
(This is currently the only way I can access the new interface.)
Thank you for your help.
Graham.

Grhm · 30 Jan 2017, 01:36 AM

.. but in the mean time, may I repeat my original question:
Does anyone know of an e-mail provider that accomodates personal domains and also has a web interface accessible to those of us who use simpler browsers such as Opera Mini?
Thank you.
Graham

janusz · 30 Jan 2017, 01:43 AM

Try Runbox. They do support personal domains and offer a simple Roundcube interface https://runbox.com/roundcube/
Try it with Opera Mini and see if it works for you. BTW, Runbox offer a free 30-day trial.

Grhm · 30 Jan 2017, 08:17 AM

I just signed up for a 30-day trial at Runbox, and discovered that their interface does work on Opera Mini.
I need to check that it has all the functionality I need, but assuming it does, it definitely looks like a good option for me.
Thank you for the suggestion.
(It also has the advantage of its own forum here on EMD, of course!)

Jerry · 31 Jan 2017, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mballas

You can't connect if you use your FastMail password. You must create an application password for that particular application.

When I set up my Motorola XT316 to use its built-in email app, I'm quite sure I never created (or used) a special "application password" -- I only used my regular password that I've always used for logging on to the Classic Interface. Note that you have to use "mail.messagingengine.com" for the Incoming and Outgoing servers, whereas my phone app tried to default to the domain name of my email address. Also, you have to use ports 993 and 465 instead of the insecure app default ports.

placebo · 31 Jan 2017, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry

When I set up my Motorola XT316 to use its built-in email app, I'm quite sure I never created (or used) a special "application password" -- I only used my regular password that I've always used for logging on to the Classic Interface.

App-specific passwords are required only if you have two-factor authentication enabled.

mballas · 31 Jan 2017, 04:27 AM

I believe you can still use messagingengine.com with the FastMail password but to use imap.Fastmail.com you must use the app password. I don't know if FM plans to stop using messagingengine.com after classic ends.

n5bb · 31 Jan 2017, 10:13 AM

The server names have nothing to do with the web user interface (classic or normal). Here is what I just learned from Fastmail staff:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fastmail staff

If you use imap.fastmail.com / pop.fastmail.com / smtp.fastmail.com you have to use an app password. This is what we recommend people use, what we advertise in our docs, and what all the auto-config services *should* use.

If you used mail.messagingengine.com when you set up your client a while back, you can still use your master password.

The long term aim is:

1. Disable new users from using mail.messagingengine.com altogether (we can't do this just yet, because there's been some problems with iOS auto-config still returning the old mail.messagingengine.com server name), but I hope we can do it soon

2. Bit by bit, direct old users still using mail.messagingengine.com to switch to (imap/pop/smtp).fastmail.com with an app password

3. Eventually (likely years down the track), remove mail.messagingengine.com

Bill

MattJhsn · 3 Feb 2017, 03:29 AM

Dear Fellow Email Enthusiasts, Administrators, and especially my friends at Fastmail. :-)

I also would like to advocate for keeping the html version of Fastmail.. The thing I find hardest to adopt to is the difference in presentation. The html shows me more information per 'screen' then AJAX version. Can we use our own templates to change the fonts, color, etc formatting like we can in classic?

Another issue is the placement of buttons at the top, not feasible to 'fix' of course as it is part of the design.

Another is the quick way to show all of the email header. This has already has been discussed.

I have some other issues too, but I have to take the time to make a good post, so that will be later (also to re-read the long thread).

One last thing to note is that both Google and Yahoo still have their html modes available and usable.

-Matt Johnson

29 Jan 2017, 10:18 AM	#182
Grhm Essential Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 270	Help! Help! This is so frustrating! Some time ago I followed the advice offered on this forum and invested in a personal domain name so that I wouldn't be tied to any one e-mail provider. I was pleasantly surprised by how simple and inexpensive it was to do that, and felt rather smug. But that precaution isn't helping me now! It is important for me to access E-mails on the move. 'Classic' works fine on my Nokia C2-01 phone, but the new interface doesn't work at all. The only phones that run browsers fancy enough to support the new interface seem to be way out of my league. So now is the time to invoke the nuclear option and change e-mail provider. But I can't find a suitable alternative. Can anybody recommend an e-mail provider that will let me use my own domains and that has a web interface that supports OperaMini version 8 (or any other browser that will work on my Symbian-based Nokia C2-01)? Thank you.

29 Jan 2017, 02:07 PM	#185
Grhm Essential Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 270	Thank you for these suggestions. As I confessed before, at http://emaildiscussions.com/showthread.php?t=72140 , I have never used an e-mail app or client... and my understanding of the supposed benefits of using them is hazy. But if some sort of app/client type thing can be made to work on my phone when the web interface can't, I can see that it might partially solve my problem, albeit inelegantly. According to http://www.fastmail.com/help/clients/mobileapp.html , the minimum requirement for the Fastmail App is iOS v8 or Android v4. If I've understood what that means, then the app won't even work on a 3-year-old iPhone, let alone a 5-year-old Nokia ! So my last hope would seem to be Bill's suggestion: the Nokia's built-in 'IMAP client'. There is an 'e-mail' icon, which I haven't tried before: presumably this is the link to the phone's 'IMAP client'. If I click on it, it asks for an e-mail address and password, which is encouraging. But when I enter my Fastmail address and password and click on the 'sign in' button, it says 'checking' for several minutes and then invariably closes with the message 'communication error try again later'. I'm stumped again. Any further ideas will be gratefully received. Many thanks, Graham. Last edited by Grhm : 29 Jan 2017 at 02:28 PM. Reason: minor typos

29 Jan 2017, 03:15 PM	#186
mballas Essential Contributor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 346	You can't connect if you use your FastMail password. You must create an application password for that particular application. https://www.fastmail.com/help/client...worderror.html Last edited by mballas : 29 Jan 2017 at 03:19 PM. Reason: Added uri

29 Jan 2017, 10:40 AM	#184
n5bb Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: May 2004 Location: Irving, Texas Posts: 8,926	Does you phone have an IMAP email client built in? Nearly all phones made within the past decade have an email client. Bil

29 Jan 2017, 08:00 PM	#187
Grhm Essential Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 270	Aha! I see! Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible to set up an 'app password' using the Classic interface, so I'm going to have to leave this until later in the week when the library is open and I have an opportunity to use the public computers there. (This is currently the only way I can access the new interface.) Thank you for your help. Graham.

30 Jan 2017, 01:36 AM	#188
Grhm Essential Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 270	.. but in the mean time, may I repeat my original question: Does anyone know of an e-mail provider that accomodates personal domains and also has a web interface accessible to those of us who use simpler browsers such as Opera Mini? Thank you. Graham

30 Jan 2017, 01:43 AM	#189
janusz The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: EU Posts: 4,944	Try Runbox. They do support personal domains and offer a simple Roundcube interface https://runbox.com/roundcube/ Try it with Opera Mini and see if it works for you. BTW, Runbox offer a free 30-day trial.

30 Jan 2017, 08:17 AM	#190
Grhm Essential Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 270	I just signed up for a 30-day trial at Runbox, and discovered that their interface does work on Opera Mini. I need to check that it has all the functionality I need, but assuming it does, it definitely looks like a good option for me. Thank you for the suggestion. (It also has the advantage of its own forum here on EMD, of course!)

31 Jan 2017, 04:27 AM	#193
mballas Essential Contributor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 346	I believe you can still use messagingengine.com with the FastMail password but to use imap.Fastmail.com you must use the app password. I don't know if FM plans to stop using messagingengine.com after classic ends.

3 Feb 2017, 03:29 AM	#195
MattJhsn Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 20	Dear Fellow Email Enthusiasts, Administrators, and especially my friends at Fastmail. :-) I also would like to advocate for keeping the html version of Fastmail.. The thing I find hardest to adopt to is the difference in presentation. The html shows me more information per 'screen' then AJAX version. Can we use our own templates to change the fonts, color, etc formatting like we can in classic? Another issue is the placement of buttons at the top, not feasible to 'fix' of course as it is part of the design. Another is the quick way to show all of the email header. This has already has been discussed. I have some other issues too, but I have to take the time to make a good post, so that will be later (also to re-read the long thread). One last thing to note is that both Google and Yahoo still have their html modes available and usable. -Matt Johnson