winter into spring brightly anticipated like Habeas SWE

[vidvandre]

Naturally there is a lot of talk about spam and how to stop it from reaching your inbox. But what about the other way around, are you sure your messages are delivered to the recipients. I started wondering about this again the other day when I noticed that a service messages from Godaddy was filtered out as spam (it was loaded with self serving ads). I remembered a system that Chis @ lockergnome.com has spoken very warm about, Habeas.

Does anybody have any experience with using Habeas SWE system?Edit: Tried to change title...

[biffbulkie]

I must say, the title of this thread leaves alot to be desired.

[robert@fm]

The Habeas headers are a well-known "this is spam" indicator:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ha...se.*&scoring=d

[ivec]

The Habeas headers are a well-known "this is spam" indicator

From the current SpamAssassin test list:

Uses the Habeas warrant mark - Score: -4.6
Sender is on Habeas Infringer List - Score: 4.0

I'm not saying SA are completely right, but over time they made me trust them more than other sources

[vidvandre]

Originally posted by biffbulkie
I must say, the title of this thread leaves alot to be desired.

Sorry about the title. Guess I was a little tired at the time i wrote it, found it to be funny... I believe its part of the haiku that is included (in the headers) of email using Habeas. Anyway; it tried to edit the title, but that just added a title to my post (probably a good thing that it didn't work...). But I do promise to add more correct and descriptive titles in the future!

Originally posted by robert@fm
The Habeas headers are a well-known "this is spam" indicator:

Are spammers actually including the full Habeas headers?

Does anybody know if SpamAssassin always let email with the Habeas headers pass? I looked at the headers of an email that used the Habeas sysem, the contents of it should normally have resulted in a high spam score but it was 0...

[fmfan]

vidvandre -

title caught my ear (:~)

[Killer]

I say this topic should be in the main forum section since it isn't strictly a fastmail subject. I am sure many non-fastmail users would have comments on this.

[ivec]

Does anybody know if SpamAssassin always let email with the Habeas headers pass?

As stated in the above post, if a message contains the Habeas warrant mark, SA will deduct -4.6 from the total spam score. This means that SA doesn't automatically mark these messages as not being spam (for example by setting its score to 0), instead it lowers the spam score of the message.

[DrStrabismus]

Originally posted by ivec
From the current SpamAssassin test list:

Uses the Habeas warrant mark - Score: -4.6
Sender is on Habeas Infringer List - Score: 4.0

I'm not saying SA are completely right, but over time they made me trust them more than other sources

I hope those tests are mutually excusive.

[vidvandre]

Originally posted by fmfan
title caught my ear (:~)

That was the original idea

Originally posted by ivec
As stated in the above post, if a message contains the Habeas warrant mark...

Sorry, I miss interpreted what you wrote ivec. Thanks for taking the time to clarify.

Anyway; I actually had high hopes for the H.SWE system when it first surfaced, thought it might solve some problems, but I never got around to using it. Presently I'm content with sitting on the fence, just waiting around to see if it turns out to be any good. Nice to know how SpamAssassin uses the system...

I do suspect that the response to this will be negative... If one wants to send email with the "Habeas warrant mark", is it possible to include this from the .fm web interface?

[ivec]

If one wants to send email with the "Habeas warrant mark", is it possible to include this from the .fm web interface?

Fastmails' web interface doesn't allow you to add user defined fields in the message header, hence it is not possible to use Habeas with the web interface.

Of course, there is no problems sending messages with the Habeas watermark through Fastmail SMTP servers, so you can insert it through a mail client that supports custom headers or some kind of a proxy application that would modify the headers on message send (Habeas itself provides a simple one).

[vidvandre]

Thanks for the feedback!

Originally posted by ivec
Fastmails' web interface doesn't allow you to add user defined fields in the message header, hence it is not possible to use Habeas with the web interface.

Does anybody know if this has been discussed previously? I do feel that there’s several reasons not to include such as feature, but I really don’t have any knowledge on the area...