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11 Sep 2013, 11:41 PM | #1 | |||
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Yahoo Mail in 2013: rampant bugs and functional degradation?
This summer (2013), Yahoo phased out it's "Classic" webmail interface (that existed since the 1990s) and forced all of those users onto it's new webmail, known as "Neo", which has two versions, "Basic" and "Full Featured".
The result is that there have been a large number of complaints about bugs and other instability, as well as many cases of (apparently) intentional functional degradation (i.e., functionality that was removed or degraded). Many of these complaints have been posted to the Yahoo Group called "Y-Mail" (mostly about "Neo Full Featured"). What strikes me as odd (other than the unleashing of unstable code on a large user population) is the lack of visibility about this issue in any media. There were a few mentions of such problems on this forum, e.g., this one posted in July 2013: Quote:
My point is not to trash Yahoo or start a gripe-fest, just to give this issue some visibility, because it would seem that the technical community (e.g., this forum) might be interested to know about problems of such apparent magnitude with a major webmail provider. Here is just one of the many complaints that were reported in "Y-Mail": Quote:
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12 Sep 2013, 12:56 AM | #2 |
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Your point is good. But the thing is, unlike average Joe, most of the EMD users have a basic level of understanding about functionalities like POP, IMAP, Alias, SMTP, Clients etc etc. As yahoo offering is very limited, only a few people here bothers to ACTUALLY use it. I'm sure most of us have one, for spam catching or forwarding to primary address.
As a result 'an EMD member opened his/her y!mail via web' significantly rare occasion, eventually shout-out about it rare too. Last edited by just1acc : 12 Sep 2013 at 01:15 AM. |
13 Sep 2013, 10:40 AM | #3 |
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Maybe I'm naive or a minority, but I do not have any problem with Yahoo! mail plus, and I am happy with it, either via IMAP or web.
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13 Sep 2013, 11:47 AM | #4 | |
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AAMOF my first email on the net (that was back in 1999 ! OO how time flies..)....was a yahoo account...and guess what...I still have it!!:-) As I see it...Yahoo gets stronger and stronger since recently....and their email service certainly is NO less as Gmails snoop service;-) Dutchie. |
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13 Sep 2013, 07:42 PM | #5 |
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Yahoo recently changed their TOS and required users to agree explicitly to Gmail-style scanning of all emails. If you still have your Yahoo account, then you agreed to this when the interface was 'upgraded', whether you knew you were doing so or not. Yahoo invades privacy just as much as Gmail does. Yahoo is not as technically competent as Gmail, however, and for more than a decade has subjected its users to one disaster and degradation after another. Gmail is arrogant, has no respect for privacy and has a number of annoying features that some people hate, but at least it is rock solid, consistent, reliable, and not prone to constant tinkering and frequent half-baked major changes that leave users helpless and enraged. Gmail is evil, but it is solid and super-competent. Yahoo is evil, but it is (and always has been) an unmitigated and infuriating mess.
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18 Sep 2013, 11:14 PM | #6 | ||||
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Secondly, since the media that do cater to "average Joes" like to jump on stories about service outages or functional problems in the telephone network, or iPhone Maps, etc., they might find this newsworthy. Even if the recent problems affect only 3% of Yahoo Mail users, that's still millions of people. Yes, Yahoo has always had some problems here and there, but at some point, the story goes from "dog bites man" to "man bites dog" (as newsmen like to say). So if any reporters from Wired or Cnet are reading this, you might want to consider that. The ultimate beneficiary would be Yahoo users because the reporting puts pressure on the company to fix its looming disasters. It's just a suggestion, not a big deal. Also, regarding your comments about POP, IMAP, and forwarding: on Yahoo, those features are not free. I'm unclear on why you (or, "most of us", as you say) want to pay Yahoo for that if you can get similar services bundled for free in your primary service or elsewhere. As for Yahoo's offerings being "limited", it depends on your point of view. Yahoo has had the best DEA (disposable email address) implementation of any webmail provider I've seen (except for a few months in 2010 when they temporarily broke it), without any of the weaknesses or issues that were discussed at length on EMD (see thread titles with the word "disposable"). Regarding the "rare occasions" you mentioned, some of them appeared following your post. Maybe they didn't post that often because they weren't having a lot of problems? In any case, I can understand that there's not much overlap of the user bases of EMD and Yahoo Mail, unlike, for example, Fastmail, which directs it's users to this website. Quote:
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As for "one disaster and degradation after another", it's true that I've had my occasional gripes as a paying customer, but I was able to work around them (somewhat grudgingly). What kept me on Yahoo was a simple interface (I stayed on Classic for as long as they let me, and found out how to disable Ajax when they started doing that nonsense), and a good DEA implementation (as mentioned above), plus the relative anonymity and simplicity of having an @yahoo.com address (which is easy to communicate verbally to non-English speakers since pretty much everyone worldwide knows how to spell it). The result for me is that the recent increases in quality issues (combined with earlier frustrations that were never quite resolved) has me shopping around for a different webmail provider (as I discussed in a different thread). Judging from the complaints I've seen from other users (like those I quoted in my original post), there are others who feel similarly. |
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17 Oct 2013, 01:41 AM | #7 |
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As predicted, the deterioration of Yahoo Mail has been taken up by the mass media.
The Daily Mail (14 Oct 2013): "Yahoo Mail users furious over Marissa Mayer's redesign that wiped away key features and left interface looking like a 'Gmail knock-off' (except useless)" ZDNet (14 Oct 2013): "Anger explodes at Yahoo Mail redesign disaster: Key functions removed or broken" I am posting the above for reference, in case anyone wants to follow the Yahoo Mail debacle. As for me, I decided to move from Yahoo Mail to FastMail. The "last straw" for me was within the past few weeks -- rampant cases of DNS lookup failures on Yahoo's outbound mail servers (i.e., notifications several days after sending an email, "No MX or A records" for the target domain -- and if you google that phrase, you'll see that Yahoo has had this problem for months). That's just too flaky for me. |
17 Oct 2013, 06:18 AM | #8 |
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Yahoo Boohoo
Yahoo's ruint Yahoo. (again 'gainst all the, you know: whosos.)
How'm I gonna git my things outa the house? She's shredded my files tree; throws shill in m'face when I'm tryin' git m'keys in th' lock(s) so re'ranged... 'r find the butt'ns t' push on th' "NEW" door(s). Won' let me pas' the porch wh'n I'm with Opera. Gotta be common to commerce. Done 'n done got the Classic kilt with knife-in-the-night. Show's y'what a 25 y'r-old mail-carrier's wants is worth in the post-modern. post-industr'all scheme-o'-things. Back-door hobo. Empty y'r pockets people; we're collectin' all the coins. Get y'all get re-registered right after Christmas. Farcebook. Otherwise, looks like Opera's got one foot on the dock the other on the sloop a-slippin' a-weigh, FM, flagship again. Thank you crew. |
17 Oct 2013, 10:16 PM | #9 | |
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ITS MUCH WORSE THAN IT WAS!!!!! --- Isnt it strange they choose "NEO" for the name of it? (NEO as in THE MATRIX as in THEY WATCH YOUR EVERY MOVE NOW (More than before)) |
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18 Oct 2013, 06:40 AM | #10 |
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Reading the backlash, I'm guessing that I haven't used the new interface enough to have a bad reaction -- but what I've seen so far looks good to me. Someone mentioned that you can't see your folders without leaving your inbox. That's not correct. If you click on folders, you can see them and your inbox at the same time. I have not experienced bugs in the several times that I have used the new Yahoo! mail.
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