New folder options: Auto-purge, Learn as, Hidden - Page 4

ChinaLamb · 18 Oct 2007, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robmueller

cyrus ACLs allow lots of different control.

Including the control, ability, feature, etc. of locking yourself out of your own folders!

From experience, I can say with confidence! Be careful!!. ;P

/cl

beq · 19 Oct 2007, 01:14 AM

This is great, thanks Rob/brong, et al.

I wonder if neil's new mockup screens can be extended with the features of the current interface, or if it will be positioned as a limited-but-user-friendly alternative to the current interface...

fhapgood · 19 Oct 2007, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hadaso

Another useful property might be to have a folder show only unread messages by default.

Idea for me would be a double ordering -- first the unread msgs, oldest to youngest, then the read ones, youngest to oldest. The way it is now, where all messages are grouped in a single y-t-o ordering, I have to read my unread emails in reverse, from bottom to top. That is certainly doable, but is inconvenient and I often don't bother, which leads to my sometimes answering younger messages from the same person on the same topic before the ones that introduced the topic in the first place. Wars have started over lessor misunderstandings.

robmueller · 19 Oct 2007, 10:35 AM

Ick! Sub-ordering is possible with the IMAP sort, but sub-ordering where the second level order is different depending on the first level isn't possible, and to be honest I've never heard it even suggested before

One problem with using "is seen" as a sort option is that it means just reading a message changes it's position, which means that when you're moving through a list of emails, the action of just moving through the emails changes the ordering of the list of emails, something that can be quite confusing (eg clicking "next message" then "prev message" doesn't take you back to where you were!)

http://quimby.gnus.org/internet-draf...ap-sort-00.txt

When multiple sort criteria are specified, the result is sorted in
the priority order that the criteria appear. For example,
(SUBJECT DATE) will sort messages in order by their subject text;
and for messages with the same subject text will sort by their
sent date.

Rob

pcs · 19 Oct 2007, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robmueller

cyrus ACLs allow lots of different control.

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4314.txt

Code:

   l - lookup (mailbox is visible to LIST/LSUB commands, SUBSCRIBE
       mailbox)
   r - read (SELECT the mailbox, perform STATUS)
   s - keep seen/unseen information across sessions (set or clear
       \SEEN flag via STORE, also set \SEEN during APPEND/COPY/
       FETCH BODY[...])
   w - write (set or clear flags other than \SEEN and \DELETED via
       STORE, also set them during APPEND/COPY)
   i - insert (perform APPEND, COPY into mailbox)
   p - post (send mail to submission address for mailbox,
       not enforced by IMAP4 itself)
   k - create mailboxes (CREATE new sub-mailboxes in any
       implementation-defined hierarchy, parent mailbox for the new
       mailbox name in RENAME)
   x - delete mailbox (DELETE mailbox, old mailbox name in RENAME)
   t - delete messages (set or clear \DELETED flag via STORE, set
       \DELETED flag during APPEND/COPY)
   e - perform EXPUNGE and expunge as a part of CLOSE
   a - administer (perform SETACL/DELETEACL/GETACL/LISTRIGHTS)

Rob

I'm not sure if I've come late to the party or not, but recently I've started noticing that when I delete messages on my iPhone, the deleted messages seem to automatically (after some period of time) get expunged from my Fastmail inbox. Has it always been this way, or is this some new behavior? I'm pleased that I don't have to explicitly use the Fastmail "expunge" command to do this. If anything, I'd like to be able to set an even shorter time period in which the "expunge" will take place.

n5bb · 19 Oct 2007, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcs

I'm not sure if I've come late to the party or not, but recently I've started noticing that when I delete messages on my iPhone, the deleted messages seem to automatically (after some period of time) get expunged from my Fastmail inbox. Has it always been this way, or is this some new behavior? I'm pleased that I don't have to explicitly use the Fastmail "expunge" command to do this. If anything, I'd like to be able to set an even shorter time period in which the "expunge" will take place.

The only feature at Fastmail which automatically deletes messages after a delay is the auto-purge advanced option for a folder, to my knowledge. This feature permanently deletes any unflagged message in specified folders which are older than the given age, so it's not specific to messages marked for deletion by an IMAP client. The new folders features were released in late September 2007.

New Folders screen and features released

Bill

pcs · 20 Oct 2007, 09:04 AM

Bill, thanks for sharing that information. Maybe it's something on my end, but I can tell something has recently changed. I double checked my phone and don't see any changes made there. perhaps I should just welcome the improvement and chalk it up to first gen quirkiness. Anyway, I do look forward to more of the folder changes being rolled out, especially if I can manually configure the amount of time before a deleted message on my iPhone is auto-expunged on Fastmail. Again, thanks for the info!

robmueller · 22 Oct 2007, 03:59 PM

PCS: If you search the forum, you'll see other people reporting the same issue. Basically something in the iPhone deletes messages from the Trash, and there doesn't seem to be a way to stop it without completely disabling deletes from the folder server side.

Rob

pcs · 23 Oct 2007, 08:15 AM

Rob, thanks for your reply. I was actually writing about a slightly different (though perhaps it's related) issue where the messages I deleted on the iphone were actually being move to the trash folder (without me doing it through the fastmail interface). Normally, when I would delete a message on the iphone, it shows up as crossed out in fastmail. Thus I have to use Fastmail's "expunge" feature to have the crossed out e-mail removed to the "trash" folder. I suddenly saw behavior where I didn't need to use the Fastmail "expunge" option, as the crossed out email seemed to just get moved to the trash (after a time) on it's own. I guess this was just something the iPhone was doing, it's just that in three months of use, it never happened before.

Regarding the iPhone deleting messages from the "trash" folder (on it's own), I'm aware that it does do that. I think I'm one of the original people that brought that to your attention, and you were great about finding a way so that no messages in my fastmail trash folder can be deleted by the iphone anymore (the ACL of my trash folder was altered).

robmueller · 23 Oct 2007, 12:46 PM

Ooops sorry about that, there's a lot going on in any week and sometimes the names get a bit blurred together in my head over time so I forget exactly what I've done for whom

Rob

MikeL · 23 Oct 2007, 02:31 PM

One thing I'd like to see is an on-the-fly toggle that would allow me to switch quickly between showing only those folders containing unread messages, and showing all folders. Or am I overlooking something that can already be done now? I know I can display unread messages only within a folder, but I don't see any way to list just the folders which contain unread messages.

-Mike

robmueller · 23 Oct 2007, 02:51 PM

You can go to Options -> Folders, select some folders, click Edit, then set "Hide Folder" to "Hide unless unread msgs". The folders will be hidden unless there's unread messages. However on the Mailbox screen there will also be an "Unhide" link that you can click to immediately show all folders.

Rob

hadaso · 23 Oct 2007, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robmueller

... on the Mailbox screen there will also be an "Unhide" link that you can click to immediately show all folders.

It looks like this:

Folders (Edit/Refresh)Unhide

(No space between "(" and "Unhide", though copying and pasting here showed that there's a tab there, and links underlined only when hovering).

Perhaps it can be:

Folders (Edit,Refresh,Unhide)

with each of "Edit", "Refresh" and "Unhide" a separate link and "Refresh" leading back to the Mailbox scren (instead of the user having to click "Done" in the Folders screen to go back).

MikeL · 23 Oct 2007, 04:05 PM

Perfect! Thanks!

-Mike

zhak · 23 Oct 2007, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hadaso

Perhaps it can be:

Folders (Edit,Refresh,Unhide)

with each of "Edit", "Refresh" and "Unhide" a separate link and "Refresh" leading back to the Mailbox scren (instead of the user having to click "Done" in the Folders screen to go back).

This is a good idea. Welcome back to the forums hadaso...missed you for a while...

19 Oct 2007, 01:14 AM	#47
beq Cornerstone of the Community Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 895	This is great, thanks Rob/brong, et al. I wonder if neil's new mockup screens can be extended with the features of the current interface, or if it will be positioned as a limited-but-user-friendly alternative to the current interface...

19 Oct 2007, 10:35 AM	#49
robmueller Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,102 Representative of: Fastmail.FM	Ick! Sub-ordering is possible with the IMAP sort, but sub-ordering where the second level order is different depending on the first level isn't possible, and to be honest I've never heard it even suggested before One problem with using "is seen" as a sort option is that it means just reading a message changes it's position, which means that when you're moving through a list of emails, the action of just moving through the emails changes the ordering of the list of emails, something that can be quite confusing (eg clicking "next message" then "prev message" doesn't take you back to where you were!) http://quimby.gnus.org/internet-draf...ap-sort-00.txt When multiple sort criteria are specified, the result is sorted in the priority order that the criteria appear. For example, (SUBJECT DATE) will sort messages in order by their subject text; and for messages with the same subject text will sort by their sent date. Rob

20 Oct 2007, 09:04 AM	#52
pcs Essential Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 204	Bill, thanks for sharing that information. Maybe it's something on my end, but I can tell something has recently changed. I double checked my phone and don't see any changes made there. perhaps I should just welcome the improvement and chalk it up to first gen quirkiness. Anyway, I do look forward to more of the folder changes being rolled out, especially if I can manually configure the amount of time before a deleted message on my iPhone is auto-expunged on Fastmail. Again, thanks for the info!

22 Oct 2007, 03:59 PM	#53
robmueller Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,102 Representative of: Fastmail.FM	PCS: If you search the forum, you'll see other people reporting the same issue. Basically something in the iPhone deletes messages from the Trash, and there doesn't seem to be a way to stop it without completely disabling deletes from the folder server side. Rob

23 Oct 2007, 08:15 AM	#54
pcs Essential Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 204	Rob, thanks for your reply. I was actually writing about a slightly different (though perhaps it's related) issue where the messages I deleted on the iphone were actually being move to the trash folder (without me doing it through the fastmail interface). Normally, when I would delete a message on the iphone, it shows up as crossed out in fastmail. Thus I have to use Fastmail's "expunge" feature to have the crossed out e-mail removed to the "trash" folder. I suddenly saw behavior where I didn't need to use the Fastmail "expunge" option, as the crossed out email seemed to just get moved to the trash (after a time) on it's own. I guess this was just something the iPhone was doing, it's just that in three months of use, it never happened before. Regarding the iPhone deleting messages from the "trash" folder (on it's own), I'm aware that it does do that. I think I'm one of the original people that brought that to your attention, and you were great about finding a way so that no messages in my fastmail trash folder can be deleted by the iphone anymore (the ACL of my trash folder was altered).

23 Oct 2007, 12:46 PM	#55
robmueller Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,102 Representative of: Fastmail.FM	Ooops sorry about that, there's a lot going on in any week and sometimes the names get a bit blurred together in my head over time so I forget exactly what I've done for whom Rob

23 Oct 2007, 02:31 PM	#56
MikeL Essential Contributor Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 326	One thing I'd like to see is an on-the-fly toggle that would allow me to switch quickly between showing only those folders containing unread messages, and showing all folders. Or am I overlooking something that can already be done now? I know I can display unread messages only within a folder, but I don't see any way to list just the folders which contain unread messages. -Mike

23 Oct 2007, 02:51 PM	#57
robmueller Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,102 Representative of: Fastmail.FM	You can go to Options -> Folders, select some folders, click Edit, then set "Hide Folder" to "Hide unless unread msgs". The folders will be hidden unless there's unread messages. However on the Mailbox screen there will also be an "Unhide" link that you can click to immediately show all folders. Rob

23 Oct 2007, 04:05 PM	#59
MikeL Essential Contributor Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 326	Perfect! Thanks! -Mike