Germany like to develop and deploy mail systems

[jeffpan]

I found there are so many mail systems developed and operated by Germany.
They are customized (not the common ones like roundcube etc), most with good reputation.
Such as web.de, GMX, freeNet, Arcor.de, T-online, Posteo, mailbox.org, webmail.de etc.
How do you think about it?

[David]

Originally Posted by jeffpan

I found there are so many mail systems developed and operated by Germany.
They are customized (not the common ones like roundcube etc), most with good reputation.
Such as web.de, GMX, freeNet, Arcor.de, T-online, Posteo, mailbox.org, webmail.de etc.
How do you think about it?

I think that email companies should be evaluated, not according to the countries they originated from (or the countries where their servers are located) but according to their strengths and weaknesses.

Germany make good tools, as do the UK, and the USA. They are not particularly known for the manufacture of great email systems, afaik.....

[Brasgaucho]

posteo hands down.
also testing protonmail and mailpriva.

[Brasgaucho]

here is another one: ownbay.net

[janusz]

I like the truly Germanic name of that service

[gilbahat]

this is a good opportunity to mention the invaluable https://ssl-tools.net , made by a smart german fellow named linus neumann. a must for testing your provider. OTOH this is what he has to say about some of the german providers: (profanity filter blocked the URL, but it's fully deserved. I will link to his lecture instead). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_SMsAA7wcg

[Zach]

They're good, but you have to have a German IP address in order to open an account with them and a lot of them require you to enter a home address too (which has to be based in Austria, Germsny or Switzerland). If you read the T&Cs, they imply that they read (or at least scan) your emails as they say they will fine you €5,000 if you use their service to send pornographic material. I find the home address requirement too intrusive: why do they need to know that?

[scryptmail]

Originally Posted by gilbahat

this is a good opportunity to mention the invaluable https://ssl-tools.net , made by a smart german fellow named linus neumann. a must for testing your provider. OTOH this is what he has to say about some of the german providers: (profanity filter blocked the URL, but it's fully deserved. I will link to his lecture instead). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_SMsAA7wcg

ssl-tools.net seems pretty good site, especially their email provider list

[ystagars]

Originally Posted by Zach

They're good, but you have to have a German IP address in order to open an account with them and a lot of them require you to enter a home address too (which has to be based in Austria, Germsny or Switzerland). If you read the T&Cs, they imply that they read (or at least scan) your emails as they say they will fine you €5,000 if you use their service to send pornographic material. I find the home address requirement too intrusive: why do they need to know that?

It depends on the service. GMX and WEB.DE require the address so they can advertise you relevant services in your area such as Cable and DSL.

Telekom requires a German IP to register but they do not ask for your address or phone number. And, if you choose to enter your address, you can enter any international address you like.

[zimmermanfan]

Originally Posted by David

I think that email companies should be evaluated, not according to the countries they originated from (or the countries where their servers are located) but according to their strengths and weaknesses.

The strengths and weaknesses of the regime an email service falls under is inseparable from the service. So it makes no sense to disregard jurisdiction. In the EU, all service providers are legally required to keep logs of metadata for all traffic. This makes Germany an unsuitable location for e-mail service.

Originally Posted by ystagars

It depends on the service. GMX and WEB.DE require the address so they can advertise you relevant services in your area such as Cable and DSL.

No matter what the real reason is for a service provider demanding sensitive information, they will state the best reason they can come up with. Only a fool would trust it.

The best thing you can do when an email provider asks for an address: walk away. It's not a trustworthy service, and the mere question demonstrates recklessness with private data.

[Greensky]

In EU member States, providers of electronic services like emails are requested by EU regulations (Directive 2006/24/EC on the retention of data generated or processed in connection with the provision of publicly available electronic communications services or of public communications networks) to retain some personal data. See articles 3 and 5 of the directive.

When an email provider is located in an EU member State, they will require you to provide data like your name, calling number and address.

[David]

I always considered my old 'Lavabit' email account to be secure, even though it is now as dead as a dodo.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by Greensky

When an email provider is located in an EU member State, they will require you to provide data like your name, calling number and address.

Mail.be, T-Online.de and Tutanota don't require don't require an address or telephone number and they're EU-based.

[Dutchie007]

Originally Posted by jeffpan

I found there are so many mail systems developed and operated by Germany.
They are customized (not the common ones like roundcube etc), most with good reputation.
Such as web.de, GMX, freeNet, Arcor.de, T-online, Posteo, mailbox.org, webmail.de etc.
How do you think about it?

Let me give you my opinion on German email providers. Web.de especialy does have a VERY bad reputation in Germany. Only recently they beefed up their storage over 1 gig..AFAIK....service is very bad...sometimes they even send ghost bills to their paid customers!..On german internet forums you can see that many germans are fed up with their "services" and their unsolicited spam messages. As for T-online more or less the same goes...bad service..and also I read many times their customer support indeed also is Arogant..! Arcor too once was called the german version of AOL....well needless to say what is that about..lol

IMHO only posteo and mailbox seem serious contenders in the field. The rest I would't touch with a 10 foot pole.

Most Germans (that are not digibets and take internet communication serious) use Gmail,Outlook and yes even Yahoo is considered way better as the German email providers I mentioned before.

I am NOT German...but I do live here. Personaly I prefer using Yandex and/or Mail.ru for personal email communications. With Yahoo still holding out on a third place. Allthough i admit Gmail is technicaly very good I won't use it (anymore) because of their snooping arround in my emails.

my 2 cents.

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[Dutchie007]

I would add this to my previous post:

https://ssl-tools.net/b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t-germany

that says it all I guess. You have to leave out the dots...sorry there was no other way I could post it.

Thanks

D