Mozilla?

MrBond · 5 May 2002, 11:20 AM

Does Fastmail still recommend use of Mozilla? It's approaching 1.0 now, and more email fixes are in than ever. But, does Fastmail still recommend it, and the various derivatives (Netscape 6, Beonex, etc.)? I have found that Mozilla Mail has been a very good IMAP client, and a good POP client as well. For the record, I support use of Mozilla.

**psalzer** · 5 May 2002, 11:59 AM

I think they still do, along with some others. I think Jeremy is still pretty happy with Mozilla as a browser as well as an e-mail client. It's not the only one they recommend, but I think it's still recommended. I'm looking forward to 1.0, too.

Jeremy Howard · 5 May 2002, 06:59 PM

Do a search of the forum for Mozilla, and you'll see lots of tips from me and others.

Personally, it's the IMAP client that I use, and the browser that I use too. Mozilla still has a lot of shortcomings as an IMAP client, but it's probably the best free option at the moment. I just wish the developers would spend some time really understanding IMAP (e.g. getting instantaneous notification of new email, using faster approaches to showing # new emails, making it work right with Cyrus OOTB...)

MrBond · 6 May 2002, 07:28 AM

Jeremy,
Are all of these issues known? I don't have much IMAP experience so I don't really know what issues you're talking about there (except instantaneous notification, sounds like what Outlook does with the evil Exchange Server =). I would suggest trying http://bugzilla.mozilla.org if you haven't already, and try searching for these issues or file an RFE on them (R equest F or E nhancement). It won't make the 1.0 builds (already branched, WYSIWYG in 1.0RC builds plus some bug fixes), but it can probably make the 1.1 branch if someone started working on them now.

Jeremy Howard · 6 May 2002, 08:46 AM

Frankly, I've given up on updating Bugzilla with IMAP issues. Given that this critical bug, which causes Moz to not work OOTB with most IMAP servers except for UW IMAP, is still not resolved (or even targeted!) after some years, makes me skeptical that anyone in the Moz team has any interest in supporting IMAP correctly. There are more examples of Bugzilla IMAP entries that are being ignored.

I'd love to find some time to understand the Moz codebase well enough to fix these issues myself, since they would only take a few minutes to fix. For instance, this one requires simply removing one character which is added when it shouldn't be. But getting on top of the code is a big job. If there's any Moz developers around I'd be happy to help in any way I can if you can work on these bugs.

Automated notification BTW is mentioned here: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141369

5 May 2002, 11:20 AM	#1
MrBond Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10	Mozilla? Does Fastmail still recommend use of Mozilla? It's approaching 1.0 now, and more email fixes are in than ever. But, does Fastmail still recommend it, and the various derivatives (Netscape 6, Beonex, etc.)? I have found that Mozilla Mail has been a very good IMAP client, and a good POP client as well. For the record, I support use of Mozilla.

6 May 2002, 07:28 AM	#4
MrBond Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10	RFE Jeremy, Are all of these issues known? I don't have much IMAP experience so I don't really know what issues you're talking about there (except instantaneous notification, sounds like what Outlook does with the evil Exchange Server =). I would suggest trying http://bugzilla.mozilla.org if you haven't already, and try searching for these issues or file an RFE on them (R equest F or E nhancement). It won't make the 1.0 builds (already branched, WYSIWYG in 1.0RC builds plus some bug fixes), but it can probably make the 1.1 branch if someone started working on them now.

5 May 2002, 11:59 AM	#2
psalzer Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	I think they still do, along with some others. I think Jeremy is still pretty happy with Mozilla as a browser as well as an e-mail client. It's not the only one they recommend, but I think it's still recommended. I'm looking forward to 1.0, too.

5 May 2002, 06:59 PM	#3
Jeremy Howard Ultimate Contributor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 11,501	Do a search of the forum for Mozilla, and you'll see lots of tips from me and others. Personally, it's the IMAP client that I use, and the browser that I use too. Mozilla still has a lot of shortcomings as an IMAP client, but it's probably the best free option at the moment. I just wish the developers would spend some time really understanding IMAP (e.g. getting instantaneous notification of new email, using faster approaches to showing # new emails, making it work right with Cyrus OOTB...)

6 May 2002, 08:46 AM	#5
Jeremy Howard Ultimate Contributor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 11,501	Frankly, I've given up on updating Bugzilla with IMAP issues. Given that this critical bug, which causes Moz to not work OOTB with most IMAP servers except for UW IMAP, is still not resolved (or even targeted!) after some years, makes me skeptical that anyone in the Moz team has any interest in supporting IMAP correctly. There are more examples of Bugzilla IMAP entries that are being ignored. I'd love to find some time to understand the Moz codebase well enough to fix these issues myself, since they would only take a few minutes to fix. For instance, this one requires simply removing one character which is added when it shouldn't be. But getting on top of the code is a big job. If there's any Moz developers around I'd be happy to help in any way I can if you can work on these bugs. Automated notification BTW is mentioned here: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141369