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26 Jun 2017, 11:25 PM | #1 |
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German "Bundesnetzagentur" requesting Fastmail to register in Germany
The German "Bundesnetzagentur" (German government organization for network regulation) has requested Fastmail to officially register with them (see German article here).
Germany requires all email providers to offer remote interfaces for government agencies to conveniently and secretly access all their customer's email. Also, Germany has just passed aggressive laws to spy on their citizens, requiring network providers to store citizen's communication metadata and allowing the deployment of trojan software to hack into the computers of citizens even for minor offenses. In addition, Germany is about to pass an aggressive internet censorship law. In the light of these developments, please, Fastmail, do not make any concessions to any German government organization. It will be used to force you into spying on your German customers. Please resist! |
27 Jun 2017, 10:51 AM | #2 |
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27 Jun 2017, 03:23 PM | #3 |
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Yes. Please resist.
But what about google and other companies. Did they already give their ok? Why only fastmail? And why in general? They do not offer any German services at all? |
27 Jun 2017, 04:40 PM | #4 |
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Does it mean that posteo.de is also compromised? They store the emails encrypted (if you choose this option) but I don't know if they can be forced to do the opposite or read them before they are encrypted.
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27 Jun 2017, 04:57 PM | #5 | |
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The quoted article at Heise says the trouble would be about whether FastMail has to officially identify themselves to Bundesnetzagentur as a "commercial provider of telecommunication services". |
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27 Jun 2017, 10:22 PM | #6 |
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GOOD GAWD!... were back to FEDERAL/CENTRAL/GOV/FASCIST TYRANNY AGAIN in Germany!!!??? YOU THINK they would have learned from the first time they got brainwashed and let NAZI party TAKE oVER and nearly burn all of Europe to the ground, never mind the rest of the world...
Then there is the CIA/NSA/etc agencies in the USA an ALL the domestic spying they doing ALL IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY |
28 Jun 2017, 12:22 AM | #7 | |
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Yes, but with the "registration" come all the other "goodies" like having to provide the mentioned interfaces for snooping on user's emails. This is what the request really is about. |
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28 Jun 2017, 12:32 AM | #8 | |
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If you do not encrypt the email content before(!) it leaves your own computer, then, yes, you can be targeted by these interfaces. Therefore, encrypt in your own local mail client, do not rely on web browser interface encryption. |
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28 Jun 2017, 12:45 AM | #9 | |
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Whatever the legal requirements are, I see no reason why Fastmail should be made a special case and be exempted. If FM prefers to withdraw from the German market, there is no shortage of alternative providers. Last edited by janusz : 28 Jun 2017 at 12:57 AM. |
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So Germany does not protect its citizens RIGHTS? Quote:
$22,588.10 US Dollar... THAT IS A LOT OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
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28 Jun 2017, 01:04 AM | #11 |
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28 Jun 2017, 01:08 AM | #12 |
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28 Jun 2017, 01:15 AM | #13 |
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28 Jun 2017, 01:52 AM | #14 |
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28 Jun 2017, 02:25 AM | #15 | |
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No, it bothered me since the law was conceived. And this is why I did not use a German email provider since.
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Oh, and btw.: Germany now requires Youtube bloggers to get a German broadcasting license. No kidding! |
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