New rules settings in beta

ulmus · 19 Feb 2016, 02:26 PM

Anybody know if there is preview of how sieve converter in new beta works?
As i've read it is one way process without going back to old sieve rules, so...
to be prepared i think that some sort of preview of converts to the new interface would be great. I am using few complicated sieve rules and want to see them after convertion.
Then i would correct some if it needs.

robn · 19 Feb 2016, 02:56 PM

If you go to beta and open your rules screen, it will convert to the new format. It's been mostly ok, with a couple of minor bugs for a couple of people that we're working through.

To revert, go to production, and use the revert option.

If you were using the "sieve block" rules that have been on beta for the last ~5 years but never released to production, beta will do its best to convert it to the new model, but then you need to check that it was converted properly. There is no way to revert this rule style, so set aside a little time to check it.

ulmus · 19 Feb 2016, 03:34 PM

So... there is no 'preview' for the sieve 'converter'?

I hope it will work without a big pain...
And what happen if i will go to beta, change sieve to new version and log into the normal FM (not beta)? What with rules then?

robn · 19 Feb 2016, 04:09 PM

No, there is no preview. There wasn't any point building one because this has to work for everyone - in a few weeks there will be one sieve rule system everywhere, and the majority of users don't care as long as it works.

If you're willing to spend some time confirming your rules work as expected and helping us test, then use beta now and let us know how it goes. If you're not interested in that, don't touch beta. This holds at all times - you should not be using beta unless you're willing to accept bugs, weirdness, crashes and tell us about it.

ulmus · 19 Feb 2016, 04:20 PM

OK, i won't touch anything.
If you wrote that there is only nearly 100 users using sieve then probably you have tested my filters

misc · 19 Feb 2016, 04:21 PM

How long does the converting process take? I tried to access the beta rules screen half an hour ago but all I see are the wobbling bars. I logged out and in again but it's the same.

By the way, the production rules screen says that my rules have been converted.

fastuser2015 · 19 Feb 2016, 04:32 PM

Like misc, I just tried to access Rules on Beta and it hung.

I've previously used the custom sieve block to create different "out of office" replies for different email addresses (although I would delete that custom block when I didn't want auto responses, so it wasn't in place today).

Went back to production and reverted as I didn't fancy not knowing what the conversion script had made of my rules.

ulmus · 19 Feb 2016, 04:56 PM

I didn't look into beta rules but have question:
i am using mainly sieve rule to sort new emails from known group of contacts into proper folders using:
header :contains "X-Spam-known-sender" "name-of-contact-group"
so... it will be coverterted? if so then i have not to warry

robn · 19 Feb 2016, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misc

How long does the converting process take? I tried to access the beta rules screen half an hour ago but all I see are the wobbling bars. I logged out and in again but it's the same.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastuser2015

Like misc, I just tried to access Rules on Beta and it hung.

Please use the "send beta feedback" option on the left to report this. Then we can find your user in our logs and figure out what went wrong.

fastuser2015 · 19 Feb 2016, 06:04 PM

robn, have sent an email to betafeedback so you can check this out. Thanks

misc · 19 Feb 2016, 06:37 PM

Feedback sent. Thank you, Rob!

makaze · 20 Feb 2016, 12:27 AM

One thing I noticed is upon switching over my fetch mail accounts that were filtered into sub folders no longer are filtered. (setup via the fetch mail account settings, not a separate rule)

Filled out the beta feedback, least my other accounts dont get much mail to make it annoying. I like the new settings.

vivil · 21 Feb 2016, 04:17 AM

> If you go to beta and open your rules screen, it will convert to the new format. It's been mostly ok, with a couple of minor bugs for a couple of people that we're working through.

hmm.... but what is the diffs compared to the raw sieve ???

> If you were using the "sieve block" rules that have been on beta for the last ~5 years but *never released to production*,

good ! minus one question to ask here

vivil · 24 Feb 2016, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulmus

I didn't look into beta rules but have question:
i am using mainly sieve rule to sort new emails from known group of contacts into proper folders using:
header :contains "X-Spam-known-sender" "name-of-contact-group"
so... it will be coverterted? if so then i have not to warry

We can say "thanks for their answers" (clap) (clap) (clap)

Because with these no answers we are strongly invited to test alias DIY so i use now
these new rules.

In fact, they prioritize the default values you can only change on their former and some new menues

### 1. Distribution lists
### 2. Identity save on SMTP
### 3. Discard
### 4. Spam
### 5. Forward
### 6. Vacation Response
### 7. Organise
### 8. POP Link Filing

so now (your and) my goal is to "slavering" these menues/priorities to stay the master of the sieve script.......

For me during this 20 minutes test
1) i unactivated "vacation response" tab
2) in "spam protection" did goes to "custom" and unchecked the case "move"
for "backscatter" part of this tab, i place to "do nothing" because i do not understand
that function...
3) delete the script between their ### 4. and ### 5 to inhibit their default maxsize

after reverted the script i checked the "spam folder" to know what messages was on my spam folder during this test.

quidam · 1 Mar 2016, 11:37 PM

The main issue of the classic rules interface was its relative lack of readability, due to small edit boxes. This has not been fixed.

Why the hell is rules display so aggressively truncated? Why is the new interface wasting a third of the available space on the right side, w/o any resizing option?

Some of my (very basic, no Sieve involved) rules are no longer working. Why did you hurry to roll out a poorly designed, unfinished work?

19 Feb 2016, 02:26 PM	#1
ulmus Essential Contributor Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Poland Posts: 200	New rules settings in beta Anybody know if there is preview of how sieve converter in new beta works? As i've read it is one way process without going back to old sieve rules, so... to be prepared i think that some sort of preview of converts to the new interface would be great. I am using few complicated sieve rules and want to see them after convertion. Then i would correct some if it needs.

19 Feb 2016, 02:56 PM	#2
robn Master of the @ Join Date: May 2012 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,007 Representative of: Fastmail.fm	If you go to beta and open your rules screen, it will convert to the new format. It's been mostly ok, with a couple of minor bugs for a couple of people that we're working through. To revert, go to production, and use the revert option. If you were using the "sieve block" rules that have been on beta for the last ~5 years but never released to production, beta will do its best to convert it to the new model, but then you need to check that it was converted properly. There is no way to revert this rule style, so set aside a little time to check it.

19 Feb 2016, 03:34 PM	#3
ulmus Essential Contributor Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Poland Posts: 200	So... there is no 'preview' for the sieve 'converter'? I hope it will work without a big pain... And what happen if i will go to beta, change sieve to new version and log into the normal FM (not beta)? What with rules then?

19 Feb 2016, 04:09 PM	#4
robn Master of the @ Join Date: May 2012 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,007 Representative of: Fastmail.fm	No, there is no preview. There wasn't any point building one because this has to work for everyone - in a few weeks there will be one sieve rule system everywhere, and the majority of users don't care as long as it works. If you're willing to spend some time confirming your rules work as expected and helping us test, then use beta now and let us know how it goes. If you're not interested in that, don't touch beta. This holds at all times - you should not be using beta unless you're willing to accept bugs, weirdness, crashes and tell us about it.

19 Feb 2016, 04:20 PM	#5
ulmus Essential Contributor Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Poland Posts: 200	OK, i won't touch anything. If you wrote that there is only nearly 100 users using sieve then probably you have tested my filters

19 Feb 2016, 04:21 PM	#6
misc Essential Contributor Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 251	How long does the converting process take? I tried to access the beta rules screen half an hour ago but all I see are the wobbling bars. I logged out and in again but it's the same. By the way, the production rules screen says that my rules have been converted.

19 Feb 2016, 04:32 PM	#7
fastuser2015 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 31	Like misc, I just tried to access Rules on Beta and it hung. I've previously used the custom sieve block to create different "out of office" replies for different email addresses (although I would delete that custom block when I didn't want auto responses, so it wasn't in place today). Went back to production and reverted as I didn't fancy not knowing what the conversion script had made of my rules.

19 Feb 2016, 04:56 PM	#8
ulmus Essential Contributor Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Poland Posts: 200	I didn't look into beta rules but have question: i am using mainly sieve rule to sort new emails from known group of contacts into proper folders using: header :contains "X-Spam-known-sender" "name-of-contact-group" so... it will be coverterted? if so then i have not to warry

19 Feb 2016, 06:04 PM	#10
fastuser2015 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 31	robn, have sent an email to betafeedback so you can check this out. Thanks

19 Feb 2016, 06:37 PM	#11
misc Essential Contributor Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 251	Feedback sent. Thank you, Rob!

20 Feb 2016, 12:27 AM	#12
makaze Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 8	One thing I noticed is upon switching over my fetch mail accounts that were filtered into sub folders no longer are filtered. (setup via the fetch mail account settings, not a separate rule) Filled out the beta feedback, least my other accounts dont get much mail to make it annoying. I like the new settings.

21 Feb 2016, 04:17 AM	#13
vivil Essential Contributor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: France Posts: 472	> If you go to beta and open your rules screen, it will convert to the new format. It's been mostly ok, with a couple of minor bugs for a couple of people that we're working through. hmm.... but what is the diffs compared to the raw sieve ??? > If you were using the "sieve block" rules that have been on beta for the last ~5 years but never released to production, good ! minus one question to ask here

1 Mar 2016, 11:37 PM	#15
quidam Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 34	The main issue of the classic rules interface was its relative lack of readability, due to small edit boxes. This has not been fixed. Why the hell is rules display so aggressively truncated? Why is the new interface wasting a third of the available space on the right side, w/o any resizing option? Some of my (very basic, no Sieve involved) rules are no longer working. Why did you hurry to roll out a poorly designed, unfinished work?