New (and improved??) Hotmail

kelly · 15 May 2010, 06:19 PM

http://blogs.computerworld.com/16107...urce=rss_blogs

walesrob · 15 May 2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kelly

http://blogs.computerworld.com/16107...urce=rss_blogs

Hotmail can put in fancy UI's, add threading, blah, blah, but until they can sort out the age old problem of emails being discarded without notification and obvious spam being sent to the inbox (and legit emails being sent to spam

), GMail will be king of the free email accounts.

B4its2L8 · 15 May 2010, 08:10 PM

They (i.e. Hotmail) might also try providing a fully secure email session (https).

Why are the two most popular email providers (Hotmail and Yahoo) the only ones not doing so ?

robert@fm · 15 May 2010, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walesrob

Hotmail can put in fancy UI's, add threading, blah, blah, but until they can sort out the age old problem of emails being discarded without notification and obvious spam being sent to the inbox (and legit emails being sent to spam

), GMail will be king of the free email accounts.

Have Hotmail dealt with their problem of deleting accounts on the basis of any complaint whatsoever, no matter how frivolous or even outright fake?

Even complaints such as "My account, username@hotmail.com, keeps getting lots of spam" were likely to get the named account shut down; it's as if such complaints were processed by a bot whose programming was to scan every email for a Hotmail address and the word "spam", and take the presence of both as indication that the account needs to be shut down.

Long-term EMDers may remember that one such sorry tale was how one of the main anti-Hotmail sites got started (hotmailsucks.com IIRC); it's also the reason why I've long ceased using Hotmail even as a spam-sink.

ozar · 16 May 2010, 01:26 AM

Improved or not, it's highly doubtful that I'd ever return to Hotmail even if they offered to pay me for using it. Hope it works out well for those that choose to partake of it, though.

chrisretusn · 16 May 2010, 08:54 PM

They can do what they want with the interface. It matters not to me as long as they allow POP3/SMTP. I have three accounts with them and only access them via SSL POP3, TLS SMTP. Rarely use the Web interface.

nbarr · 18 May 2010, 10:29 PM

A little more info at CNET

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... The revamped Hotmail also adds a new "sweep" option that lets users easily divert mail from a particular sender into either a new folder or into the trash.

... The software maker will also add the option for users to send their e-mail using an encrypted HTTPS connection.

...The new version, which will begin being offered to most users in July or August

At this rate Hotmail might be providing IMAP access as soon as ... probably never.

As long as this issue noted by walesrob continues to be the case,

Quote:

Originally Posted by walesrob
... until they can sort out the age old problem of emails being discarded without notification and obvious spam being sent to the inbox (and legit emails being sent to spam )

Hotmail will remain irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

David · 18 May 2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nbarr

As long as this issue noted by walesrob continues to be the case,
Hotmail will remain irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Mail sent to my daughter's Hotmail account was frequently dropped (in the past) unless sent from my own Hotmail account.

Mail was most often dropped when sent from my Fastmail account but the problem seems to have disappeared now that I am no longer using Fastmail.

B4its2L8 · 18 May 2010, 11:40 PM

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... The software maker will also add the option for users to send their e-mail using an encrypted HTTPS connection.

IF they are speaking of the webmail interface, I'm not sure I understand the advantage of such a thing if the entire email session -- including the whole time of the composition of the email -- is non-encrypted. ??

David · 18 May 2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by B4its2L8

IF they are speaking of the webmail interface, I'm not sure I understand the advantage of such a thing if the entire email session -- including the whole time of the composition of the email -- is non-encrypted. ??

They have to be talking about using https for the entire session, giving you a choice of the way you wish to connect.

B4its2L8 · 19 May 2010, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

They have to be talking about using https for the entire session, giving you a choice of the way you wish to connect.

Ah. Well, better late than never.

Chipper · 19 May 2010, 02:19 AM

I created a Hotmail account just to test sending stuff from our business to a "test customer." I repeatedly get "Internet Explorer Cannot Display the Webpage" when I try to go to the Inbox.

Hotmail is nothing but pure garbage.

hadaso · 19 May 2010, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walesrob

... but until they can sort out the age old problem of emails being discarded without notification and obvious spam being sent to the inbox (and legit emails being sent to spam

), GMail will be king of the free email accounts.

So it's not OK for Hotmail do do all these, but it's OK for Gmail? (whenever I check my Gmail account,there are several legitimate messages in the spam box, and several spam messages in the Inbox. I don't know if there are messages that have just disappeared into thin air but there were reports in these forums about emails that were sent to Gmail, accepted for delivery by Gmail as confirmed by sending logs and never delivered to the Gmail user's account, not even to the spam box. So I don't see that Gmail is much better than Hotmail in this respect).

xmailer · 19 May 2010, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chipper

I created a Hotmail account just to test sending stuff from our business to a "test customer." I repeatedly get "Internet Explorer Cannot Display the Webpage" when I try to go to the Inbox.

Hotmail is nothing but pure garbage.

Perhaps you should try Firefox?

In fact, I believe it was the discovery that I, and at least one other EMD member, made that that we could access our Hotmail account options with FF when we were unable to do so with MS's own browser (back when MS was still trying to force on their users their now-defunct "new" Hotmail interface, which they ultimately overwhelmingly rejected), that, thus "forced" to use FF, I soon made it my main browser, only rarely ever using IE since. In fact, so rarely that I still haven't bothered updating it beyond version 6.

kelly · 19 May 2010, 05:48 PM

Looks like Microsoft is VERY serious regarding its "NEW" Hotmail campaign, they even have radio ads!?
This has got to be a first! (...and Microsoft should probably patent that.)

and of course no campaign would be complete without opposition...
http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-desp...09322909106507

15 May 2010, 06:19 PM	#1
kelly Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 116	New (and improved??) Hotmail http://blogs.computerworld.com/16107...urce=rss_blogs

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kelly Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 116	Hotmail Radio Ads... Looks like Microsoft is VERY serious regarding its "NEW" Hotmail campaign, they even have radio ads!? This has got to be a first! (...and Microsoft should probably patent that.) and of course no campaign would be complete without opposition... http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-desp...09322909106507 Last edited by kelly : 19 May 2010 at 05:58 PM.

15 May 2010, 08:10 PM	#3
B4its2L8 Master of the @ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hiding under my bed Posts: 1,465	They (i.e. Hotmail) might also try providing a fully secure email session (https). Why are the two most popular email providers (Hotmail and Yahoo) the only ones not doing so ?

16 May 2010, 01:26 AM	#5
ozar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 133	Improved or not, it's highly doubtful that I'd ever return to Hotmail even if they offered to pay me for using it. Hope it works out well for those that choose to partake of it, though.

16 May 2010, 08:54 PM	#6
chrisretusn Cornerstone of the Community Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Philippines Posts: 846	They can do what they want with the interface. It matters not to me as long as they allow POP3/SMTP. I have three accounts with them and only access them via SSL POP3, TLS SMTP. Rarely use the Web interface.

19 May 2010, 02:19 AM	#12
Chipper Master of the @ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Greenbelt, MD (USA) Posts: 1,278	I created a Hotmail account just to test sending stuff from our business to a "test customer." I repeatedly get "Internet Explorer Cannot Display the Webpage" when I try to go to the Inbox. Hotmail is nothing but pure garbage.