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Old 9 Mar 2019, 07:51 AM   #61
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Check mailbox.org and/or hosted.mailcow.de
Thanks. Mailbox.org looks very good, but it doesn't look like they have end-to-end encryption, which was the main thing I was looking for. I did sign up for a test account, though.
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Old 9 Mar 2019, 07:56 AM   #62
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Heh... Zuckerberg has always said one thing and done another. From the way he founded the company till today, he's shown his true colors.
When he started up his social network in college, he called its users "dumb f*ckers" for trusting him with their data. I can't help but think he still feels that way..
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Old 9 Mar 2019, 08:09 AM   #63
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we are setting ourselves up as a society for some major challenges in the future if we don't hold our privacy as a fundamental human right.
Sure, but are we really losing "privacy" by laws that potentially allow the government to read emails if they need or want to? Think about the past prior to the Internet and email. We communicated by totally insecure phone lines that were easily tapped by almost anyone. We sent snail mail with intimate letters that not only could the government intercept but could easily be stolen out of our mailboxes or read by some bored postal worker. Email, even without encryption, is infinitely more "private" than how we communicated just a few years ago. All of this talk of "reading" of emails is really bogus. Fastmail, Gmail, and all the others don't let humans sit there and "read" our email. The reading is done by software to do things like allow for searching, to prevent phishing and spam, and to target advertising in some cases. But, random government officials looking for unpopular political views aren't sifting through your email. Could they? Possibly, but imagine the waste of time and effort. What are they going to do with the 53 million emails a day that discuss worries about government snooping on emails? Could they possibly zero in on you if they wanted to? Sure, but they could also do so based on intercepted cell calls, opening your mail, monitoring your spending habits, etc., etc. There are just too many avenues of attack to expect total privacy in life, and most people do not. I think all of us tend to worry about the wrong things. I am personally much more worried about the lack of editorial oversight and standards on major social media, like Facebook and Twitter, than I am about the privacy of my email. We are allowing pure lies and fake information to be broadcast constantly to billions of people, and it has nothing to do with privacy.
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Old 9 Mar 2019, 11:27 AM   #64
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Thanks. Mailbox.org looks very good, but it doesn't look like they have end-to-end encryption, which was the main thing I was looking for. I did sign up for a test account, though.
Personally, I do not want end-to-end encryption on all my email, for a variety of reasons. What I would like, but do not expect any service to offer, is to have end-to-end encryption available on demand for selected messages. If able additionally to specify whether the message subject line should be encrypted, that would be even better.

Selective encryption of messages is available using things like PGP, but getting correspondents to use it, and arranging key exchange is a major challenge.
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