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Old 8 Dec 2017, 01:29 AM   #16
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Tell you what.....you do NOT need a cellphone number to open a new Yandex account..!!!
Did you try it?
But I think the "west" is closing its internet borders for Russian IT services; we can discuss if this is legit or not....thats my opinion. Yandex has offices in Switserland,Germany and the Netherlands...pretty soon they MIGHT have also servers located fe in Norway or in Iceland or other European countries...would NOT surprise me at all.

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In theory, I do not need the phone. But practically, you can not use your mailbox without being "validated". regardless of this, I added the phone, but the mailbox was still inactive.

No, the West is not closing digital (and non-digital) borders with Russia. This is Russian set of laws that actually makes usage of Russian digital services impossible for non-Russians.
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 03:40 AM   #17
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B u l l s hi t, I live in netherlands and I'm using Yandex
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 05:01 AM   #18
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B u l l s hi t, I live in netherlands and I'm using Yandex
You took the words right out of my mouth...I also live here...and yandex many times send codes to my Dutch cellphone number. And for that fact mail.ru also....never had a problem.

But then again some persons just want to politicalise things.

RFK you realy think the NSA doesnt watch your gmail/outlook/AOL/yahoo account?? If you actualy think that....SWEET DREAMS!! LOL

And yes I know the Russians can too...but somehow i feel more at ease with them...then with the NSA,-)


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Old 10 Dec 2017, 05:33 AM   #19
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But then again some persons just want to politicalise things.

RFK you realy think the NSA doesnt watch your gmail/outlook/AOL/yahoo account?? If you actualy think that....SWEET DREAMS!! LOL
You're the one politicizing. The NSA has never been allowed to intercept domestic communications, the FBI does so only with a warrant. Look up past scandals.

How could they? Google is now https only, SMTP is TLS.
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 01:46 AM   #20
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You're the one politicizing. The NSA has never been allowed to intercept domestic communications
And we all know they never give a S H I T about that, dream on
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 08:26 AM   #21
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Old 12 Dec 2017, 05:55 AM   #22
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Just for the moment assume that the NSA wants to scan your emails--what would stop it from doing so if you were using Yandex or any other provider? Nothing! There is nowhere to hide if you are up to something nefarious. And, it isn't just the NSA but every security apparatus in the world, including Russia I am 100% certain. For most of us our real worries should be ordinary security against phishing, malware, spam, etc., and general performance, features, deliverability, cost, etc. Gmail is at the top in the metrics that matter to most people, which is why they are the most popular email service in the world. Yes, there are very valid reasons for choosing other services, but the ability to evade national security apparatus spying on you is not one of them--every email service is vulnerable. I used to work for a small email marketing provider and we could read virtually everything if we wanted to, and we could even go into client databases and read almost everything without any special permissions. Digital privacy is nonexistent without taking extraordinary precautions that are impractical for most.
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 02:55 PM   #23
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I did most definitely not want to start a flame war. My question was more headed towards the current political turmoil and if it could have an effect on availability of the Yandex services in the EU. What are your thoughts on that (not on surveillance)?
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 09:19 PM   #24
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See yourself first, then judge others...

I sorry, but you ask wrong questions. You shouldn't give attention about the politics towards other people, but about the politics towards own people.

Because the politics about own people, nationalism, this is what actually bother you.

First side of the imagined problem. Russia have to care for them own people. How Russia could possibly know one account in yandex used on foreign territory is used by Russian? What if they block the account of Russian what just happen to be on trip to Eiffel tower?

And Second side... EU countries parties claim to be democratic. Where is the democracy if some country limit to them citizens the right to chose? The right to chose USA's services or Russian services?

What people will think for you, if you advertise democracy... but you are not democratic at all?

I believe ,the problem is pumped by news agencies with some kind of different agenda, by war's lovers.
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 05:40 AM   #25
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I think for most of us the safest longterm option is to use an email service based in our own country. That would give someone much better standing if you ever needed to go to court or a regulatory agency to take action against a provider. Yes, it is unlikely, but you never know. Another option is to have all your mail forwarded to another service as an automatic backup if the main service ever went down or was blocked, or you could use something like Thunderbird to download all your emails locally so they can be stored and backed up. That still wouldn't help with new emails if they became blocked for some reason, but you could at least have recent contacts and emails so you could notify important people and businesses.
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Old 24 Dec 2017, 01:36 AM   #26
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Technically, Yandex is very good email service. Practically, you do not want to use email provider which is under jurisdiction of authoritarian (and, in many aspects, totalitarian) state as Russian Federation. You do not know how your emails will be affected and how they will be used by this state. I do not want to discuss it here, but it may be really dangerous even if you do nothing that violates your country's law or Russian law.

In addition, considering current relations between Putin's regime and the West, you have a chance to see your mailbox lost/deleted/blocked etc as result of political developments and economic sanctions imposed on Russia.

Another point: Russian authoritarian state wants to control everything. At some point they may require you to upload your national ID card or passport or your email account will be limited/blocked. Do you really want it?

I know what I am talking about, I have some friends in Russia, I understand the logic of Russian authorities (as former citizen of former USSR) and I really do not recommend to use any of Russian services (not only email).

This post applies also to mail.ru: great email service but, unfortunately, should not be used for political reasons.
Do you trust the political and legal systems of other "western" countries entirely?
Because, if the answer is "no, they're flawed too", then avoid Gmail, Hotmail, Facebook, Twitter etc too at all costs.

I see where you're coming from, but I think one who is not involved in active political groups, don't have to worry that much where their email service is located. I am sometimes over-anxious and over-paranoid myself, but people often told me I worry a bit too much, and in some cases they're right. This is one of those cases I think. What one should really worry about when choosing an email account, is the stability and reliability and security. Not the location of the provider's offices. Unless the person is really so anxious that it makes it impossible for him to enjoy using his email service (I experienced several times myself that rational thinking doesn't always overcome anxiety ; I got a bit too much experience with that even )

I believe the person opening this topic was afraid of a sort of new "Iron Curtain" which would make his email unreachable at some point.
While nothing impossible in theory, I think the odds of that happening are quite low.
a) Yandex have offices in the EU, so if there would ever be a blocking of Russian services by the EU, Yandex can easily bypass this issue with their offices in the EU.
b) it would surprise me that the EU would start censoring services from any country, it'd go totally against all principles the EU is built upon.

My guess would be that, unless one is involved in politics, (s)he has nothing to fear, regardless where the email provider of choice is located.
If the OP is still too worried though, he could always go for a provider in the EU itself just for the sake of having peace of mind.
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Old 24 Dec 2017, 01:41 AM   #27
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You took the words right out of my mouth...I also live here...and yandex many times send codes to my Dutch cellphone number. And for that fact mail.ru also....never had a problem.

But then again some persons just want to politicalise things.

RFK you realy think the NSA doesnt watch your gmail/outlook/AOL/yahoo account?? If you actualy think that....SWEET DREAMS!! LOL

And yes I know the Russians can too...but somehow i feel more at ease with them...then with the NSA,-)


Dutchie.
I don't want to get political here (that's food for discussion on other forums) but, call me naive maybe, but it doesn't bother me that much that the NSA, Russian or any intelligences would have a bot going through my emails.
The idea of my private life being commercialised (= private data sold to advertisers) bothers me more than that.

I have used Safe Mail for many years, based in Israel. It never came into my mind that the Israeli intelligence services could scan my emails with a bot. What mattered to me is the reliability of their services, which was rock solid for years. The reason why I moved away after more than 6 years of using them, was sudden technical instability. If that didn't occur, I'd have still used them as one of my primary services (I still use them, but no longer for core email traffic)
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Old 24 Dec 2017, 01:46 AM   #28
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I did most definitely not want to start a flame war. My question was more headed towards the current political turmoil and if it could have an effect on availability of the Yandex services in the EU. What are your thoughts on that (not on surveillance)?
The EU censoring websites from Russia, regardless of diplomatic situations, is very unlikely. Would go against all principles of the EU. If a sort of "Iron Curtain" blocking your email access is what worries you, I'd say it's very unlikely to happen. Impossible is nothing, but it's unlikely.

If you like Yandex overall and this is your only concern, I think you should be fine. If this one concern bothers too much though, then look for other options. I suffer from anxiety disorder, and experienced that anxiety is not always solved by rational thinking. Peace of mind is worth something too. However, I would say the odds that Russian services are being blocked by the EU, are low. Very low.
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Old 29 Dec 2017, 12:31 AM   #29
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Peace of mind is worth something too.
This is important to keep in mind. It seems sometimes people are searching for the best of all possible worlds in terms of features or price or a combination, and forget about boring stuff like reliability. If you are worried about some aspect of a service that has a cost, even if the worry never materializes. On the other hand, some people are not worriers and the value of peace of mind doesn't factor into the equation. When choosing between several alternatives it is useful to write them down side-by-side on a piece of paper and rank the alternatives based on a common set of criteria that are important to you. That can help you decide what service provides the most benefit for you.
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