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thebull 19 Jun 2016 05:16 AM

Eumx is changing
 
They have a notice on the login site that states this!

Here it is
Jun 15th - We have created this news feed to inform you about upcoming and ongoing changes related to our services.
We have been planned to upgrade our services for years. These upgrades were delayed multiple times, but finally we are starting to upgrade. As part of these upgrades you will experience many changes. All these changes will be done to improve user experience and security of our services.

We have realized a long time ago that current infrastructure is not user friendly enough, however most of our existing users likes the extra features which this environment gives to them. Thats the reason that instead of retiring this environment we will renew it and introduce a new, more convenient environment. Users wont be forced to switch to new environment.

Current mail infrastructure will be renamed to Legacy EUMX. All existing users will be able to use it as they did it so far, but web mail interfaces will be discontinued, since they are not actively developed.

We wont charge our users for using Legacy EUMX services. 2CheckOut will send you recurring billing cancellation messages during following days.

2Checkout Inc. was the exclusive authorized retailer of our services, but they do not act as retailer anymore. They act as merchant service provider. We have decided to replace them with a local merchant service provider.

We will update you about all upcoming changes. We hope these upgrades will serve all of us and make EUMX much more attractive, while keeping it reliable and secure as it was so far.

Berenburger 19 Jun 2016 07:52 AM

At last! But a lot of questions. Most important: will OWM be staying or not? We'll wait and see.
BTW: very irritating newsfeed.

janusz 19 Jun 2016 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berenburger (Post 594601)
will OWM be staying or not?

I seem to remember fabule's (EuMX rep here) posting which stated OWM would go. Cannot find the actual post....

Added later: Found the post. BTW,Squirrelmail is also on the death list.

Berenburger 19 Jun 2016 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janusz (Post 594602)
I seem to remember fabule's (EuMX rep here) posting which stated OWM would go.

Services page has changed into 'EuMX Legacy' and at the bottom the line: 'For existing users'. This implies OWM is staying? :confused:

janusz 19 Jun 2016 07:42 PM

The page you refer to does not state which interfaces are available, so it implies nothing about the OWM's future.
Personally speaking, I use OWM so infrequently that its withdrawal wouldn't be noticed for a long time.;)

B4its2L8 19 Jun 2016 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berenburger (Post 594605)
Services page has changed into 'EuMX Legacy' and at the bottom the line: 'For existing users'. This implies OWM is staying? :confused:

No, I think this means that while a few interfaces will be removed the old "environment" as a whole will remain. (EuMX support replied to a question of mine more than a year ago saying that OWM caused them "serious difficulties," so it's not a surprise that that one will be the first to go.)

Then the new infrastructure sounds like it might be premium-only -- as in, our free EMD based accounts will only have access to the old 'environment' unless we upgrade. Just guessing on that one.

Berenburger 19 Jun 2016 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janusz (Post 594606)
The page you refer to does not state which interfaces are available, so it implies nothing about the OWM's future.

If I remember correctly, historically this page represented OWM. In earlier days there were no other webclients than OWM. Also the main interface, help page, etc. is all OWM.

soromak 20 Jun 2016 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berenburger (Post 594610)
If I remember correctly historically this page represented OWM. In earlier days there were no other webclients than OWM. Also the main interface, help page, etc. is all OWM.

as far as I am aware OWM will finally be retired.

but here is the info from a while back from EuMX support:

"Unfortunately development of Squirrelmail and Open Web Mail stopped long time ago and we won't be able to use it any more. It will affect many users so we can't decommission these interfaces from one day to another."


so I guess not from the day 1, but I would prepare that they will go.

pippopippo204 20 Jun 2016 04:36 PM

Eumx , please do not kill Roundcube !!!

soromak 20 Jun 2016 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pippopippo204 (Post 594618)
Eumx , please do not kill Roundcube !!!

RoundCube is being actively developed, so I do not see EuMX withdrawing it.

B4its2L8 20 Jun 2016 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pippopippo204 (Post 594618)
Eumx , please do not kill Roundcube !!!

janusz linked to the post from March by fabule above. In it, after noting that Squirrelmail would be retired, fabule said, " We hope they [users] will be able to get used to Horde, Afterlogic, Sogo or RoundCube."

So, RoundCube's a 'keeper.' :D

Tsunami 21 Jun 2016 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebull (Post 594599)
Users wont be forced to switch to new environment.

Current mail infrastructure will be renamed to Legacy EUMX. All existing users will be able to use it as they did it so far, but web mail interfaces will be discontinued, since they are not actively developed.

We wont charge our users for using Legacy EUMX services.

I am confused. Users won't be forced to switch to the new environment and will be able to use the service as they did it so far, but webmail interfaces will be discontinued. Doesn't the latter contradict the first statements? :confused:

Also, if they don't charge users for using Legacy EUMX services, does that mean it effectively becomes a free service (with/without inactivity limits) for those that already had an account? :confused:

communicant 21 Jun 2016 09:38 PM

Two good points, Tsunami.

Regarding the first, the word 'some' was omitted by the OP in quoting the EuMX newsfeed. They say that 'some web mail interfaces will be discontinued', which is at least partial consolation, though still not good news for those who are used to OWM (and who appreciate the fact that outgoing messages sent from that interface do not display the sender's IP, unlike some of the other EuMX webmail interfaces, which are inconsistent in this respect).

Regarding your second point, perhaps they mean that there will be no extra charge for the privilege of not being forced to change to the new environment! (Just joking, but who knows?)

If you have a gift account, it will presumably still be free, as long as you use 'legacy' services. Will gift account users have to upgrade if they want to use the new environment?

Fabule, if you are reading this thread, it would be very helpful if you could clarify these points. Many thanks.

soromak 22 Jun 2016 06:11 AM

Since at the moment it appears that AfterLogic webmail will be a main webmail in the new EuMX, the good news is that AfterLogic has iOS and Android apps in the works with the aim to release them in the summer. So i hope soon!;)

janusz 22 Jun 2016 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soromak (Post 594657)
at the moment it appears that AfterLogic webmail will be a main webmail in the new EuMX

Source ???

soromak 22 Jun 2016 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janusz (Post 594658)
Source ???

I was amongst beta testers of the new infrastructure. And it seems to me that nothing has changed there.

fabule 22 Jun 2016 05:50 PM

Hi,

I will try to explain what happens:

- We like OWM interface and use it regularly. So it will be a big loss for us as well, but from technical point of view it cause us lot of headache and development totally stopped 2 years ago. We have no other choice than to stop using it.

- Horde and RoundCube are safe and supported. Even more we plan to add RoundCube Next when it becomes available (2017Q4/2018)

- AfterLogic WebMail Pro will become available for you in next few days. It will be reachable from https://ssl.eumx.net/webmail/ .

- OwnCloud will become available for all existing users. URL: https://ssl.eumx.net/owncloud/ . - It won't be integrated with any webmail interface at this moment.

- Inactive Gift accounts will be removed after one year inactivity.

- Standard accounts will be terminated only if owner of those accounts asks for this.

- None of existing users will be charged for services they are using today.

- To make this sustainable, we won't add new accounts on our 'Legacy' infrastructure.

- Despite we are calling it legacy it will get newest OS and mail server application releases to make it secure and updateable for next 4-5 years (OS Lifecycle).

- New infrastructure will become available in September and it will be free for first year. It's primary advantage is automation, control panel, real time geo replication (Hungary-Germany-Netherlands) and option to ask to not backup your data / full access to online backup. We would recommend that solutions for persons who plans to host their domains with us.

I hope I have answered most of your questions. We will monitor this thread and try to respond as quickly as possible.

just1acc 25 Jun 2016 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabule (Post 594667)

- AfterLogic WebMail Pro will become available for you in next few days. It will be reachable from https://ssl.eumx.net/webmail/ .

Just to inform...its live now. :)

Personally I never liked afterlogic. Can't disable preview pane. :(

Alternate link : https://secure.eumx.net

just1acc 25 Jun 2016 09:24 PM

Quote:

Authententication failed for user ************** on IMAP server imap.owm.eumx.net A1 NO [ PRIVACYREQUIRED ] Plaintext authentication disallowed on non-secure ( SSL/TLS ) connections.

Group Office
not working right now. Too many choices making problem, I guess.

janusz 25 Jun 2016 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just1acc (Post 594701)
Personally I never liked afterlogic. Can't disable preview pane. :(

You can make it as narrow as you wish. And this is sticky.

soromak 25 Jun 2016 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just1acc (Post 594701)
Alternate link : https://secure.eumx.net

secure.eumx.net is a part of the new infrastructure - might be unstable, might be disabled at any time.

B4its2L8 26 Jun 2016 12:32 AM

Yeah, there may be a few bugs in it yet. ;) My AL inbox is showing 3 pages worth of emails (identical to the first three pages of my Archives folder), even though my Outlook 2007 client shows nothing in the inbox. Come to think of it, some of those 'duplicates' in my inbox appear to be those I already deleted! :eek:

rmannam 26 Jun 2016 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just1acc (Post 594702)

Group Office
not working right now. Too many choices making problem, I guess.

Same problem with GO for me.

soromak 26 Jun 2016 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B4its2L8 (Post 594707)
Yeah, there may be a few bugs in it yet. ;) My AL inbox is showing 3 pages worth of emails (identical to the first three pages of my Archives folder), even though my Outlook 2007 client shows nothing in the inbox. Come to think of it, some of those 'duplicates' in my inbox appear to be those I already deleted! :eek:

Have you deleted them with Outlook only?

I did not use it myself but I remember Outlook having problem with Expunge IMAP command, so it was only marking them as deleted but not actually deleting them.

Unless the deletion is not yet replicated across all 3 distributed copies...

A quick e-mail to EuMX support would help them to iron the bugs prior the official release.

janusz 26 Jun 2016 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soromak (Post 594709)
A quick e-mail to EuMX support would help them to iron the bugs prior the official release.

Am I naive thinking that placing a link to an interface on the home page with no caveats means it is officially released?

soromak 26 Jun 2016 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janusz (Post 594710)
Am I naive thinking that placing a link to an interface on the home page with no caveats means it is officially released?

ssl.eumx.net/webmail is officially given by fabule at this forum but I must admit I do not see any link to secure.eumx.net on their website. Am I looking on the wrong home page?

janusz 26 Jun 2016 05:36 AM

I meant GO, which a few forum users complained about, and which is offered on EuMX.net

B4its2L8 26 Jun 2016 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soromak (Post 594709)
Have you deleted them with Outlook only?

I did not use it myself but I remember Outlook having problem with Expunge IMAP command, so it was only marking them as deleted but not actually deleting them.

Unless the deletion is not yet replicated across all 3 distributed copies...

Ah, yes. That did it. Thanks! :)

just1acc 26 Jun 2016 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janusz (Post 594712)
I meant GO, which a few forum users complained about, and which is offered on EuMX.net

Don't rush for conclusion. Read the posts again, please.

just1acc 26 Jun 2016 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soromak (Post 594711)
ssl.eumx.net/webmail is officially given by fabule at this forum but I must admit I do not see any link to secure.eumx.net on their website. Am I looking on the wrong home page?

You are right. Not officially launched yet. secure.eumx.net is there for more than one year but couldn't log with standard eumx credential.

Now, as the other one become live, I've tried and it works.

eumxuser 26 Jun 2016 05:11 PM

the new service doesn't allow to send plaintext emails. it is not going to be easy to move all my mailing list traffic to a different host. how long is the old service going to be around? at least horde lets you send real email

soromak 26 Jun 2016 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eumxuser (Post 594717)
the new service doesn't allow to send plaintext emails. it is not going to be easy to move all my mailing list traffic to a different host. how long is the old service going to be around? at least horde lets you send real email

I guess you mix service with webmail. With a current infrastructure after OWM is discontinued you will still have a plethora of webmails that support plain text (i.e Horde, Roundcube, GO and Sogo when it is added), plus with a desktop or mobile client you can easily send plain text e-mail.
I would also recommend a quick e-mail to support, I have seen a plugin to Afterlogic that allows to send e-mails in a plain text. They just need to activate it, though.

Berenburger 26 Jun 2016 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soromak (Post 594718)
I have seen a plugin to Afterlogic that allows to send e-mails in a plain text. They just need to activate it, though.

Voted +1...........

communicant 26 Jun 2016 08:58 PM

Will OWM still be available in the 'legacy service' area?
 
I am unclear about whether OWM will be gone completely from both the 'new environment' and the 'legacy service' environment, or whether it will only disappear from the new environment but will still be available in the legacy area.

From the information released so far, I have not been able to understand this clearly. Perhaps someone else has understood better and can tell me. Or perhaps Fabule will also answer about this, as he has said he is monitoring this thread.

soromak 27 Jun 2016 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by communicant (Post 594720)
I am unclear about whether OWM will be gone completely from both the 'new environment' and the 'legacy service' environment, or whether it will only disappear from the new environment but will still be available in the legacy area.

From the information released so far, I have not been able to understand this clearly. Perhaps someone else has understood better and can tell me. Or perhaps Fabule will also answer about this, as he has said he is monitoring this thread.

In the new environment OWM is not available and never be available (personally I do not miss while using a new platform in beta), and it will be removed from the legacy area at a date not known to me - I think it is a question that only Fabule can reply.

Tsunami 30 Jun 2016 05:48 AM

I guess the name is either deceiving or indicating the answer to this question, but is OwnCloud to EUMX what OneDrive is to Outlook.com ?

I must embarrassingly admit that the names of those webmail interfaces don't really ring a bell to me, except Horde. I probably have seen webmail with other interfaces named here, without realising though. Only with Horde I know exactly what to expect.

Anyways, all I need is a well functioning webmail, preferably with an overview of previous sign-ins and easy enough for basic communication. I'm not picky, most of those interfaces are relatively unknown to me (I realise I'm a rookie when it comes to technical stuff and terminology :o)

sflorack 1 Jul 2016 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsunami (Post 594768)
I guess the name is either deceiving or indicating the answer to this question, but is OwnCloud to EUMX what OneDrive is to Outlook.com ?

Yes, similar to OneDrive or Dropbox. My webhost offers it, as well.

Webgenie 1 Jul 2016 02:56 PM

Forwarding Feature
 
I like the looks of AfterLogic, but my forwarding has been set up in OWM. So I removed the forwarding setting from OWM and set it in AfterLogic. That didn't work, so I reverted to the original setting in OWM. Maybe it's not fully working, but I don't want my mail to stop arriving via forwarding and would like it set up in AfterLogic. Hope Fabule is keeping up with this thread.

fabule 1 Jul 2016 07:21 PM

Horde and RoundCube allows you to send plain text messages. These interfaces will be supported with our services for long time. AfterLogic Support told us they do not plan to support plain text messages except if you use PGP to sign or encrypt the message. So if you don't like AfterLogic you won't be forced to use it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by eumxuser (Post 594717)
the new service doesn't allow to send plaintext emails. it is not going to be easy to move all my mailing list traffic to a different host. how long is the old service going to be around? at least horde lets you send real email


fabule 1 Jul 2016 07:38 PM

All our web mail interfaces (except OpenWebMail) use Sieve scripts to filter and forward emails. The best interface to write advanced Sieve scripts is in Horde. RoundCube's filtering interface is good for beginners as well. Afterlogic's filtering solution is very basic. If forwarding doesn't works for you at this moment that means Sieve scripts are not activated for you. Just send an email with your username to support and we will activate sieve filtering for you.

Note: Once Sieve filtering is activated you will get more SPAM messages until you set up your filtering properly.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Webgenie (Post 594801)
I like the looks of AfterLogic, but my forwarding has been set up in OWM. So I removed the forwarding setting from OWM and set it in AfterLogic. That didn't work, so I reverted to the original setting in OWM. Maybe it's not fully working, but I don't want my mail to stop arriving via forwarding and would like it set up in AfterLogic. Hope Fabule is keeping up with this thread.



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