New Top Level Domains

FredOnline · 12 Sep 2013, 04:58 AM

I caught an ad on TV today by 1&1, and then googled to find this link:

https://www.1and1.co.uk/new-top-level-domains

I've placed a "pre-order" for a .mail domain - not costing me anything until the domain extension launch date -whenever that is . . .

Only drawback IMHO with 1&1, is due to previous experience, I have avoided them like the plague!

Anyone here likely to express any serious interest in these new domains?

David · 12 Sep 2013, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FredOnline

Anyone here likely to express any serious interest in these new domains?

Though I am not interested myself, I have a couple of friends who will likely purchase a .art domain.

popowich · 12 Sep 2013, 08:07 AM

Does 1&1 require that they be anything more than the registrar?

As long as you can point your DNS hosting to your preferred DNS servers, and can host your other services elsewhere too, you should be OK.

David · 12 Sep 2013, 10:57 AM

I have read in the past (quite a long time ago now) that should you choose to leave 1 & 1 hosting, that the cancellation of the account is quite complex, and requires a snail mail letter (requesting such cancellation) to be sent and approved (by them) before the transfer can occur. Quite a few folk have been sent to 'collections' because of this, I believe. A search here (on these forums) may deliver more info on this. As for myself, I wouldn't touch 1 & 1 with a barge pole.

William9 · 12 Sep 2013, 02:26 PM

Offering to "pre-order" one of the proposed new TLD's is not unique to 1&1 -- for example Name.com will "watch" your desired domain name and snap it up for you as soon as it is approved by ICANN.

FredOnline · 12 Sep 2013, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by William9

Offering to "pre-order" one of the proposed new TLD's is not unique to 1&1 -- for example Name.com will "watch" your desired domain name and snap it up for you as soon as it is approved by ICANN.

Yes, I saw that - but you have to register there to pre-order.

At 1&1 I only had to give an e-mail address - in this case my junk hotmail one.

Also of interest will be the price they put on these new domains - too dear, and I'll not bother pursuing.

Tsunami · 25 Sep 2013, 05:25 AM

I write poetry so for my poetry site, an .art domain would be very good. But I guess that this may come with restrictions such as being a registered artist (as in; registered as professional artist with a label or publisher conforming your activities)? I cannot find any info on this .art TLD by the way ...

I see .post has been proposed too, but only for postal services (no emails). .music apparently has been proposed, should also work out well. I think .sports should be a potential hit too.

However, check this.

Donuts.co, a quite wealthy enterprise, have already made applications for 307 new extentions. And they are just the top of the iceberg.

We already have so many rarely used extentions, is it really going to help to litter the internet with so many suffixes that it will become impossible to see the forest from the trees?

Imagine I want to reach the website of football (soccer) club PSG, based in Paris. Now they use psg.fr, easy.
However, they could in the future maybe swap to psg.paris or psg.sports ...

Imagine I want to visit the website of Orphaned Land, one of my favourite bands, and from Israel.
Now they use orphaned-land.com after having previously used orphaned-land.co.il .
Easy.
But they could just as well switch back suddenly to orphaned-land.co.il, or move to orphaned-land.music or orphaned-land.mu or orphaned-land.art ... and should the Hebrew suffix for Israel be approved they could also switch to אורפנד-לנד.ע׳שׂראל

Imagine I wanna visit the site of the US Postal. Do I have to go to uspostal.com, uspostal.us, uspostal.post, ... ??? Or maybe they'll opt to ask for their own .uspostal suffix?

The internet is complex enough as it is with many rarely used suffixes, countless URL shorteners that are sometimes confused as real TLD's ... Why add a whole lot of new suffixes and make things pointlessly complex?

Tsunami · 25 Sep 2013, 05:48 AM

More new potential TLDs. This company submitted 92 requests although some are not that bad.The full list is in the article (full list only of the 92 this company requested)

.app
.art
.blog
.book
.free
.gaÿ (without the accent)
.green
.guide
.hotel
.immo
.inc
.law
.love (would be good for dating sites if they forbid adult content on this TLD)
.restaurant
.science
.site
.store (but why not .shop ?)

However... .flowers, .vodka, .zulu, .rodeo, .pizza, .horse, .dog, ... ?!!

Some more proposals by yet another company...

.bet
.chat
.date
.faith
.forum
.news
.shop
.sport
.win

the others are pretty pointless or have already been requested by another entity.

kijinbear · 25 Sep 2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsunami

However... .flowers, .vodka, .zulu, .rodeo, .pizza, .horse, .dog, ... ?!!

Finally, there will be a way to tell whether somebody on the internet is a dog! Just check if their email address ends with .dog. I mean, all those lolcats that litter the web have their own .cat domains already (from Catalan), so it's only fair to create .dog and .horse as well. I demand a .fish for my aquarium as well!

Tsunami · 26 Sep 2013, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kijinbear

Finally, there will be a way to tell whether somebody on the internet is a dog! Just check if their email address ends with .dog. I mean, all those lolcats that litter the web have their own .cat domains already (from Catalan), so it's only fair to create .dog and .horse as well. I demand a .fish for my aquarium as well!

I also want to request .cow and .sheep and .bird

Also, registrations should be made available directly under the new suffix or as a third level domain under these options:
.chihuahua.dog
.boxer.dog
.shephard.dog
.terrier.dog
.collie.dog
.husky.dog
.shar-pei.dog
.dobermann.dog
.bulldog.dog
.schnautzer.dog
.bobtail.dog

Also, if they'd accept a .pizza TLD I want to demand .tandoori, .beef, .falafel, .paella, .sushi, .hummus, .vegetable, .potato, .soy, .steak, .tofu, .shoarma, ...

robert@fm · 26 Sep 2013, 02:16 AM

Where will it end? Are we going to see .beatles, .stones, .yes (well, there's already .no), .metallica, .rush etcetera?

Tsunami · 26 Sep 2013, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robert@fm

Where will it end? Are we going to see .beatles, .stones, .yes (well, there's already .no), .metallica, .rush etcetera?

This could be very realistic, in all seriousness, since bands that big are usually registered as a Ltd company in order to pay all crew involved with the band. For example the band The Eagles own a trademark Eagles Ltd. And since ICANN wanted companies to allow to request their own TLD: as soon as a band is big enough to become a company, they could request the TLD.

Dito with professional sports clubs who are registered as a company rather than as a non-profit. If the name of the club is trademarked, they could request the TLD.

janusz · 26 Sep 2013, 02:21 AM

Well, they are just names, aren't they? If a person's first name can be Paris, why .paris should be disallowed?

Tsunami · 26 Sep 2013, 02:30 AM

But where do you draw the line which city can get a TLD and which one doesn't? It would hardly make sense, and would make totally no sense in case of very tiny settlements who can just do fine with gTLDs and with their own country's ccTLD.

I mean, where is the line being drawn? In Belgium we consider Brussels a big city: agglomeration of almost 2000000 people, so we want a .bxl or .brussels domain (even my native city Ghent, with just 200000 people, applied for .gent).
In countries like France, UK, USA, China, Russia, Turkey, Australia, Egypt, Brazil, ... they'd mock at us since the likes of Paris, London, New York, LA, Bejing, Istanbul, Cairo, Rio de Janeiro, etc all have so many more citizens that it makes Brussels look tiny.

Does anyone know (little teaser) Tiksi, in the extreme north of Russia? So remote it could be a country of its own, even though less than 2000 or 3000 folks live there. But given their geographical self-reliance and distance to the crowded cities, should we allow them a .tiksi TLD?
Stornoway (Scotland) doesn't have 10000 people living there but because they're on a remote off coast island it is considered the unofficial "capital" of the Hebrides archipelago.
Shall we create a .stornoway TLD?

I think ccTLDs are good enough as it is. If a city insists on its own domain, why not allow registrations under (for example)
.brussels.be
.amsterdam.nl
.berlin.de
.paris.fr
.newyork.us
.bejing.cn
.moskva.ru
.cairo.eg
.seoul.kr
.rio.br
.istanbul.tr
.sydney.au
etc etc

Would be complex too, but at least ICANN restricts countries to a simple nationwide ccTLD. Up to those registries if they think every city needs a further specific suffix (as it already is the case in Poland and in some regions of China)

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12 Sep 2013, 04:58 AM	#1
FredOnline The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 2,616	New Top Level Domains I caught an ad on TV today by 1&1, and then googled to find this link: https://www.1and1.co.uk/new-top-level-domains I've placed a "pre-order" for a .mail domain - not costing me anything until the domain extension launch date -whenever that is . . . Only drawback IMHO with 1&1, is due to previous experience, I have avoided them like the plague! Anyone here likely to express any serious interest in these new domains?

12 Sep 2013, 08:07 AM	#3
popowich Essential Contributor Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 263 Representative of: EmailQuestions.com	Does 1&1 require that they be anything more than the registrar? As long as you can point your DNS hosting to your preferred DNS servers, and can host your other services elsewhere too, you should be OK.

12 Sep 2013, 10:57 AM	#4
David Ultimate Contributor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada. Posts: 10,355	I have read in the past (quite a long time ago now) that should you choose to leave 1 & 1 hosting, that the cancellation of the account is quite complex, and requires a snail mail letter (requesting such cancellation) to be sent and approved (by them) before the transfer can occur. Quite a few folk have been sent to 'collections' because of this, I believe. A search here (on these forums) may deliver more info on this. As for myself, I wouldn't touch 1 & 1 with a barge pole.

12 Sep 2013, 02:26 PM	#5
William9 The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,281	Offering to "pre-order" one of the proposed new TLD's is not unique to 1&1 -- for example Name.com will "watch" your desired domain name and snap it up for you as soon as it is approved by ICANN.

25 Sep 2013, 05:25 AM	#7
Tsunami The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in between the bright lights and the far unlit unknown Posts: 2,341	I write poetry so for my poetry site, an .art domain would be very good. But I guess that this may come with restrictions such as being a registered artist (as in; registered as professional artist with a label or publisher conforming your activities)? I cannot find any info on this .art TLD by the way ... I see .post has been proposed too, but only for postal services (no emails). .music apparently has been proposed, should also work out well. I think .sports should be a potential hit too. However, check this. Donuts.co, a quite wealthy enterprise, have already made applications for 307 new extentions. And they are just the top of the iceberg. We already have so many rarely used extentions, is it really going to help to litter the internet with so many suffixes that it will become impossible to see the forest from the trees? Imagine I want to reach the website of football (soccer) club PSG, based in Paris. Now they use psg.fr, easy. However, they could in the future maybe swap to psg.paris or psg.sports ... Imagine I want to visit the website of Orphaned Land, one of my favourite bands, and from Israel. Now they use orphaned-land.com after having previously used orphaned-land.co.il . Easy. But they could just as well switch back suddenly to orphaned-land.co.il, or move to orphaned-land.music or orphaned-land.mu or orphaned-land.art ... and should the Hebrew suffix for Israel be approved they could also switch to אורפנד-לנד.ע׳שׂראל Imagine I wanna visit the site of the US Postal. Do I have to go to uspostal.com, uspostal.us, uspostal.post, ... ??? Or maybe they'll opt to ask for their own .uspostal suffix? The internet is complex enough as it is with many rarely used suffixes, countless URL shorteners that are sometimes confused as real TLD's ... Why add a whole lot of new suffixes and make things pointlessly complex?

25 Sep 2013, 05:48 AM	#8
Tsunami The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in between the bright lights and the far unlit unknown Posts: 2,341	More new potential TLDs. This company submitted 92 requests although some are not that bad.The full list is in the article (full list only of the 92 this company requested) .app .art .blog .book .free .gaÿ (without the accent) .green .guide .hotel .immo .inc .law .love (would be good for dating sites if they forbid adult content on this TLD) .restaurant .science .site .store (but why not .shop ?) However... .flowers, .vodka, .zulu, .rodeo, .pizza, .horse, .dog, ... ?!! Some more proposals by yet another company... .bet .chat .date .faith .forum .news .shop .sport .win the others are pretty pointless or have already been requested by another entity.

26 Sep 2013, 02:16 AM	#11
robert@fm The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,681	Where will it end? Are we going to see .beatles, .stones, .yes (well, there's already .no), .metallica, .rush etcetera?

26 Sep 2013, 02:21 AM	#13
janusz The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: EU Posts: 4,945	Well, they are just names, aren't they? If a person's first name can be Paris, why .paris should be disallowed?

26 Sep 2013, 02:30 AM	#14
Tsunami The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in between the bright lights and the far unlit unknown Posts: 2,341	But where do you draw the line which city can get a TLD and which one doesn't? It would hardly make sense, and would make totally no sense in case of very tiny settlements who can just do fine with gTLDs and with their own country's ccTLD. I mean, where is the line being drawn? In Belgium we consider Brussels a big city: agglomeration of almost 2000000 people, so we want a .bxl or .brussels domain (even my native city Ghent, with just 200000 people, applied for .gent). In countries like France, UK, USA, China, Russia, Turkey, Australia, Egypt, Brazil, ... they'd mock at us since the likes of Paris, London, New York, LA, Bejing, Istanbul, Cairo, Rio de Janeiro, etc all have so many more citizens that it makes Brussels look tiny. Does anyone know (little teaser) Tiksi, in the extreme north of Russia? So remote it could be a country of its own, even though less than 2000 or 3000 folks live there. But given their geographical self-reliance and distance to the crowded cities, should we allow them a .tiksi TLD? Stornoway (Scotland) doesn't have 10000 people living there but because they're on a remote off coast island it is considered the unofficial "capital" of the Hebrides archipelago. Shall we create a .stornoway TLD? I think ccTLDs are good enough as it is. If a city insists on its own domain, why not allow registrations under (for example) .brussels.be .amsterdam.nl .berlin.de .paris.fr .newyork.us .bejing.cn .moskva.ru .cairo.eg .seoul.kr .rio.br .istanbul.tr .sydney.au etc etc Would be complex too, but at least ICANN restricts countries to a simple nationwide ccTLD. Up to those registries if they think every city needs a further specific suffix (as it already is the case in Poland and in some regions of China)

4 Oct 2013, 08:38 PM	#15
synodbio Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Bangalore Posts: 11	Thanks, You just made my day a little easier.This post is really lucrative for every information seeker.